| Interesting install - accident-proofing thoughts? [message #318261] |
Thu, 01 May 2008 00:27  |
 Jeff Babcock
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Hi everyone,
I have a few thoughts on this but wanted to see other people's opinions of what they might do in my situation.
I have a bit of a strange church install. The sanctuary is approx 250 cap, pretty square, just a bit wider than deep. 3 seating sections, the middle eisle straight on and 2 side eisles angled in facing the stage in the middle. There is no slope, flat floor. Ceiling height about 20 ft. Pretty standard so far.
Now here is where it gets interesting....
1) the stage is recessed BUT will have a retractable section that extends out into the sanctuary much like a typical stage
2)the sanctuary is also going to be used as a gymnasium for basketball and volleyball and other sports, so whatever I go with has to be out of the way to avoid getting hit too often with basketballs and volleyballs etc. This basically means that I need to keep the speakers near to the wall (out of the court area), which will inevitably place them BEHIND the stage extension when it is extended, and they will need to be placed at least 15ft high.
Also during other events such as banquets, weddings etc, there may be seating and tables in the place where the extended stage would be. Should I perhaps use a small movable front fill as opposed to some sort of switchable zone to cover this area?
I obviously will need something with good pattern control, but also something that can be flown securely and potentially take a few accidental hits from gym activity. If it gets hit by a basketball I don't want it swinging all over the place. The system will need to support contemporary worship styles etc.
I have a couple potential plans and have looked at a few Nexo, Danley, EV and EAW boxes as options (particularly in terms of their flying hardware and how secure it is) but am interested to see what others might consider, not only in terms of coverage but in terms of "accident-proofing" this setup. Ignore budget for now.
I would really appreciate any insight from those of you "veterans" who may have done something similar.
Jeff
[Updated on: Thu, 01 May 2008 13:07]
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| Re: Interesting install - accident-proofing thoughts? [message #318478 is a reply to message #318261 ] |
Thu, 01 May 2008 15:12  |
Tom Young
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I Have a 3-cluster Danley system installed in a gymnatorium in NJ and the system is inherently pretty bullit proof. It has been up & running for 2 years and there are no dings in the grills, which is the weakest link in this regard.
If I was doing one with wimpier enclosures and grills, I would cage them.
Tom Young
Electroacoustic Design Services
Oxford CT
Tel: 203.888.6217
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www.dbspl.com
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| Re: Interesting install - accident-proofing thoughts? [message #318570 is a reply to message #318261 ] |
Thu, 01 May 2008 19:13 |
Charlie Zureki
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Jeff,
Is the speaker system to be used for the services and the ball games? A multi-purpose system?
I had an install similar to your room and again, was used for recreational events and weddings parties, etc...
I installed the speakers at the down stage edge (when extended) and had some steel expanded metal used to enclose the speakers for protection. These enclosures were then covered with a flat black material which happened to blend in well with the ceiling's dark paint scheme.
I also installed some smaller speaker boxes (JF 80's) as delays further in the room.
In your case I'd install some down-fills directly above the area that the stage normally occupies for the times that are used for tables
Most weddings have bands or DJ's where would they set up if not using the stage?
Good Luck,
Hammer
Be prepared, you'll need it!
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| Re: Interesting install - accident-proofing thoughts? [message #318596 is a reply to message #318570 ] |
Thu, 01 May 2008 20:41 |
Jeff Babcock
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Thanks guys, the cage idea is a good and fairly obvious one that never occurred to me....one that might work well for this. Tom, good to know that the Danley boxes are taking the abuse well, that is reassuring.
Charlie, the stage is in 2 sections, the rear section is recessed into the wall and permanent, the front section is the moving one. So with the stage retracted there is still a stage, just less deep.
Anyway, when I get some more details on this I may update it if anything else interesting comes up.
Thanks!
Jeff
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| Re: Interesting install - accident-proofing thoughts? [message #318604 is a reply to message #318596 ] |
Thu, 01 May 2008 21:09 |
Charlie Zureki
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Jeff
Can the stage that goes away be used separately?
In the building I was refering to, the stage folded into itself, like school bleachers. Three positions, full stage, half stage and folded completely.
The covering I used (got lucky) was a dark shear cloth, like old speaker front material.
I had a guy weld the cages out of angle Iron with plenty of room for adjusting the speaker. The front opened and half the back opened. To save some cost, I cut all the Iron to length and after welding, I spray painted them flat black.... a lot more cans of paint then I had thought.
Good Luck
Hammer
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| Re: Interesting install - accident-proofing thoughts? [message #318677 is a reply to message #318625 ] |
Fri, 02 May 2008 01:47 |
Charlie Zureki
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I would agree that a glancing Basket ball or Volley ball probably wouldn't hurt a touring grade cabinet. It may depend on the demeanor of the people using the room, I've made plenty of money replacing or repairing speaker cabinets in High Schools and a few Jr. High Schools where kids purposely tried to destroy them. I've had some with cages that needed to be replaced!
As a wise man once said, "don't underestimate the determined or stupid"
In either case good luck!
Hammer
Be prepared, you'll need it!
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| Re: Interesting install - accident-proofing thoughts? [message #318710 is a reply to message #318677 ] |
Fri, 02 May 2008 08:26 |
Jeff Babcock
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I don't think this is a scenario where I will need to account for those who are "intentionally" trying to damage the equipment, it should be a fairly controlled environment. Although...... never say never......
Charlie, the stage extension part is attached permanently, and it only rolls out into place or rolls back underneath the recessed stage for storage.
Thanks for the input guys....
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