| OK this is going to get me in trouble [message #168750] |
Fri, 08 December 2006 14:09  |
 Randy Frierson
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Me and my sister have been chatting about starting a Frierson Family support fund where we help deserving families who need help..strict qualifications but true help for people in need..Here's the RUB How can a church afford to buy a XL8 for a front of house console when there are other WAY more affordable solutions..This really Gets me....they could of done alot of good with that money..God sounds just as good on a PM5D or digidesign venue or any of the under $100,000.00 consoles...I am not really understanding this..i saw the add on the opening page as i was opening this forum...3000 seat venue....they also could almost hand each member there own speaker..read the press release this is outrageous to me..this isn't about midas or telex it's just about it's a church and with the money they spent there were alot of more affordable options that would have given superior performance....God's money wasted...I hope these people can sleep at night....I am going to write a letter to the church and explain how they are abusing there money and they should be ashamed...It's differnt if someone buys that console to make money then rent it and charge $3,000.00 a day for it but seriously this is just unbelievable to me. yes they deserve a nice world class system but a XL8 come on....maybe i'm wrong ....Randy
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| Re: OK this is going to get me in trouble [message #168758 is a reply to message #168750 ] |
Fri, 08 December 2006 14:34  |
Joe Larsen
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Didn't you know, that an XL8 can feed a whole African village for almost three years? It also accurately predicts powerball numbers.
I agree that an XL8 for a 3000 seat church is rediculous. There are a dozen of equally viable options at half the cost.
On the other hand, often times people or groups make donations to churches. It might sound absurd, but if my church was donated $500,000 or a million dollars for sound and lights by a rich member of the congregation, it would be a hard wad of money to spend without buying some very rediculous peices of equipment.
I agree though, that if its the option between an "XL8" or a "5D and a couple families fed for a year", or even one of Midas' lower end consoles and five or six families fed for a year, its no question.
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| Re: OK this is going to get me in trouble [message #168762 is a reply to message #168750 ] |
Fri, 08 December 2006 14:40 |
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Eric Deweese
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I remember seeing that. Though the article is not fresh on my mind, were they not using the XL8 to run comm and video also?? I am not trying to justify whether it was right or not for them to purchase this piece of equipment over some other console. However, if they are using this as Telex/Midas intends... the price "might" help justify the purchase. I think the church should have access and the ability to use the best, as long as the amount spent on the house does NOT outweigh the percentage of funds that is being put into missions and other outreach programs.
Sincerely, Eric Deweese
[Updated on: Fri, 08 December 2006 14:43]
Eric Deweese
Black Pearl Sound
"simmer down now!!!!!"
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| Re: OK this is going to get me in trouble [message #168766 is a reply to message #168750 ] |
Fri, 08 December 2006 14:43 |
Mike {AB} Butler
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Randy,
Are you saying that churches don't deserve the same level of sophistication that a 3000 seat concert venue deserves? People are coming to hear an event; it's obvious that these guys aren't rookies at this.. if they've reached a 3000 attendance. While I tend to like to see commensurate levels of investment, the fact is a PA for a church that size will tend to run at least $300K.. even without the fabulous console.. and we didn't even touch lighting, video production, etc.
Regards,
Mike Butler,
Principal, Technology and Operations,
Dascott Technologies, LLC
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| Re: OK this is going to get me in trouble [message #168781 is a reply to message #168777 ] |
Fri, 08 December 2006 14:59 |
Mike {AB} Butler
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OK, you said it was ridiculous. No disrespect to you Randy, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.
But I could argue back.. why don't we as an industry drop down to mid level gear.. and send the rest of our revenue to aid and caritable causes ourselves? Because our customers expect us to have top notch gear.. or they won't come and play with us, in some cases.
If you really want to complain, let's discuss the salaries of many of these large churches pay their staff. The "expensive system" is a drop in the bucket.. compared to some of the salaries I've casually seen..
Respectfully,
Mike Butler,
Principal, Technology and Operations,
Dascott Technologies, LLC
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| Re: OK this is going to get me in trouble [message #168796 is a reply to message #168782 ] |
Fri, 08 December 2006 15:35 |
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| Randy Frierson wrote on Fri, 08 December 2006 16:03 |
I mean seriously how much better can it sound, what feature does it have that can't be duplicated by other consoles at a 1/3 of the price..I am a huge Midas Fan..but a H-3000 makes more sense to me than a XL-4 so if i use that analogy then a Digico or 1D or Venue would make more sense..still for what they are trying to accomplish i'm more than sure a PM5DRH could of got the job done...I don't actually mean the 5D i mean the analogy of a great console under $100,000.00 would have been sufficient and a really nice piece...if midas was to give me a XL8 i'd sell it and buy 3 or 4 H-3000's...you get my drift..R
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Randy,
I think your question is an excellent one. However, the question begs for a different forum.
Basically to answer something like this, you must look in detail at how our society works: religion, technology, politics, the arts, entertainment, etc.
It's really a lifestyle issue. I'm sure that any one of 100 touring bands could almost always get by on less equipment or inferior equipment to what their rider specifies. Anyone can make compromises. It's just a question of whether you want to do so or not.
A musician or group of musicians has a lot to lose if they don't keep up a certain level of expectation. While I believe this has more to do with the type of people you surround yourself with than the gear, we still see riders with XL4s for 600 seat venues, microphones made of gold, and a speaker system that cost more than a house in Beverly Hills. Why?
It's perception really. We are a very materialistic society. Materialism is evident in everyday life yet we fail to see it let alone question it because we are just accustomed to it.
To me, it doesn't matter if you spend 100,000 on a console or 300,000. You're in a price range that is somewhat exhorbant. None-the-less, if you look at the operating budgets of these HoWs and music tours, I think it's a drop in the bucket to the good that is being done and the money that is being made. Maybe that's just an excuse, but I don't lose sleep over it. One man can only solve so many problems.
Ryan Lantzy
"In the beginner's mind the possibilities are many, in the expert's mind they are few."
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