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| | Topic: Upgrade time..SLS 920's... Next step up? |
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| Re: Upgrade time..SLS 920's... Next step up? [message #337880 is a reply to message #337799 ] |
Sun, 06 July 2008 02:46 |
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 Anton Stjernbrant
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Registered: April 2004
Location: Sweden |
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I've said it before..
I examined SLS series closely and to me it's mostly an install box with speech intelligeability being a key point.
No wonder they're loud, there's no lo mids reproduced, using amp power to do so.
Make a plan. What kind of work do you want to do in the following year and where do you want to be in 5 years? What gear do you need to get there? Check out your competition. What are people willing to pay for?
"There is another benefit to living in Sverige other than the women who look good enough to cause cardiac arrest. Lab Gruppens for cheap. It's almost enough to offset the endless winters and suicidal tax rates." / Mike B
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| | Topic: How do i fill 80-300 hz |
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| Re: How do i fill 80-300 hz [message #337891 is a reply to message #334212 ] |
Sun, 06 July 2008 06:50 |
Luke Dowson
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Registered: January 2006
Location: bradford |
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i finally got a chance to play out our new 920s this weekend for a two day outdoor gig. all the boxes sounded great together, plenty of headroom on everything and spent a bit of time getting the delays right.
plenty of compliments on the sound all weekend, no noise restrictions. pretty varied backline over the two days (i think five different ones altogether) and with a good kit it was brilliant.
each stack was:
2 x sls920s, 190hz + from a matrix str2000
2 x hd15s, loaded with pd154, 79-190 from plx 3402
2 x punishers, ciare 12.00sw loaded, 45-79 from camco vortex 6
i'll post some pictures later.
with the hd's running to 190 there was definately no lack of low mid.
we have a festival at the start of august where we will be running 12 punishers, 12 hds & 8 sls920. should be fun.
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| Re: Crown XTI [message #337904 is a reply to message #337850 ] |
Sun, 06 July 2008 09:18 |
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Don Boomer
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Registered: April 2004
Location: In hiding in MS |
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| Sean Chen wrote on Sat, 05 July 2008 22:07 |
1000W Program power, which means it can play typical music program with average power of 1000W.
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An average power of 1000W is the same thing as continuous power of 1000W ... which would exceed the manufacturer's rating for this speaker. It actually means that the music could have 1000W peaks (or so).
Once again ... the "program rating" is a made up number that cannot be measured. It serves merely as a recommendation for the maximum amplifier size that generally would be a good fit. The reason is that with music as a source you will rarely/never drive the amplifier to it's full rated power. In most systems you rarely get much past about 1/3 continuous. So if you used a 1000W amp with this speaker you could expect to rarely if ever actually DELIVER more than about 350 W of continuous power ... which is below the manufacturer's rating.
Exceptions are running the system into full clip, sustained feedback and other stupidity.
btw ... that 2000W peak power should be considered to be delivered at the same time as the 500W continuous given a 6 dB crest factor. It can withstand hundreds of peaks per second at the same time as the rated continuous power.
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| | Topic: Does your FX survive the DZM test? |
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| Does your FX survive the DZM test? [message #337937] |
Sun, 06 July 2008 11:54 |
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Tom Reid
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Registered: May 2004
Location: Indiana/Chgo Burbs |
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OK, I confess.
I mix in stereo.
Yup, double the power needs, double the eq, channels, yadda yadda.
I grew up having two mono zones that can be eq'ed individually.
If I can get away with minimal panning, I'll do some, but hard pans are left for a (not too) effect.
So why do I return my fx units in stereo, into channels, and pan them at 9 and 3 o'clock? I assume whatever gizmo in that box is going to enhance the mono aux send into it, and put equal amounts R&L, and give me some sort of ambiance.
So I went on a little quest last month, trying out some theories.
I did a couple outside shows, and a few club gigs. Certain things I wanted to hear in fx I kept a little scratch pad.
What sounds good outside is just the same as a board dump off the mains to CD. Inside, I had a completely different experience. Some verbs require being mono'ed out just to be heard in the PA. Panned they appear as mud in the background.
Special panning effects are better left for the studio, guys.
Nice little 'to have' toys like this work out cool about %2 of the time. Of course, if you have proper coverage and all of the necessities including skill level, the averages will change.
But sometimes a good stereo reverb on a board dump can be fixed in the room with a little pan of the knobs.
tom
"The fact that people don't understand you doesn't make you an artist"
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| | Topic: Help! I'm in feedback hell! |
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| Re: Help! I'm in feedback hell! [message #337893 is a reply to message #337858 ] |
Sun, 06 July 2008 07:48 |
Mark Hadman
Messages: 52
Registered: August 2007
Location: Sheffield, UK |
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I'd suggest that the majority of people on the board have at least a passing familiarity with the Aphex Aural Exciter. I've yet to see an Aphex or a BBE Sonic Maximizer in any of the countless live rigs that I've used or seen. There's no law against it, of course, but you shouldn't feel that it's a necessary or even advantageous addition to your system. I can understand that it might be there as an attempt to make up for some inadequacy of your speakers, in which case new speakers might well be the way to go. You could start at the speakerplans website, also there's Bill Fitzmaurice's (sp?) site and plenty of others. But do have a good session with your EQ and mics first, and have a careful, critical listen to those drivers while you're at it.
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| Re: Help! I'm in feedback hell! [message #337894 is a reply to message #337583 ] |
Sun, 06 July 2008 08:08 |
Stephen Payne
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Registered: December 2007
Location: Chestertown MD |
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Stenly,
I'm a little confused. You said the comp had an over easy button and then said this is what I use. Over easy is the opposite of brickwall and it starts the compression earlier than what your settings are. If you want a brickwall limiter you should have over easy off. Attack-fast, release- 100-200 ms or slightly less, threshold, -1 or 0, ratio-high. No make up gain. With +10 make up gain, as was pointed out, as soon as the comp kicks in a hugh rush of gain will be applied.
Steve
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| Make up gain [message #337908 is a reply to message #337894 ] |
Sun, 06 July 2008 09:54 |
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Mac Kerr
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Registered: April 2004
Location: Westchester County, NY |
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| Stephen Payne wrote on Sun, 06 July 2008 09:08 |
With +10 make up gain, as was pointed out, as soon as the comp kicks in a hugh rush of gain will be applied.
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No. With the output set at +10 there is 10dB of gain through the device at all times except in bypass. It is just adding 10dB that should probably have come somewhere else in the signal chain.
Mac
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| Re: Make up gain [message #337927 is a reply to message #337908 ] |
Sun, 06 July 2008 11:20 |
 Patrick Tracy
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Registered: February 2006
Location: Boulder, CO |
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| Mac Kerr wrote on Sun, 06 July 2008 08:54 |
| Stephen Payne wrote on Sun, 06 July 2008 09:08 |
With +10 make up gain, as was pointed out, as soon as the comp kicks in a hugh rush of gain will be applied.
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No. With the output set at +10 there is 10dB of gain through the device at all times except in bypass. It is just adding 10dB that should probably have come somewhere else in the signal chain.
Mac
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Mac, I'm pretty sure the OP said he "tunes up" the system with the compressor in bypass so he may well engage the comp some time between "tuning up" and show time.
http://home.earthlink.net/~patrickgtracy
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| Re: Make up gain [message #337934 is a reply to message #337927 ] |
Sun, 06 July 2008 11:46 |
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Mac Kerr
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| Patrick Tracy wrote on Sun, 06 July 2008 12:20 |
| Mac Kerr wrote on Sun, 06 July 2008 08:54 |
| Stephen Payne wrote on Sun, 06 July 2008 09:08 |
With +10 make up gain, as was pointed out, as soon as the comp kicks in a hugh rush of gain will be applied.
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No. With the output set at +10 there is 10dB of gain through the device at all times except in bypass. It is just adding 10dB that should probably have come somewhere else in the signal chain.
Mac
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Mac, I'm pretty sure the OP said he "tunes up" the system with the compressor in bypass so he may well engage the comp some time between "tuning up" and show time.
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I may have misinterpreted the phrase "as soon as the comp kicks in".
Mac
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| Re: Help! I'm in feedback hell! [message #337941 is a reply to message #337583 ] |
Sun, 06 July 2008 12:12 |
Charlie Zureki
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Registered: April 2008
Location: Detroit Area |
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What I find that's strange is that this "feedback" problem is a recent problem. Surely, something has changed in your configuration, your methods or the equipments performance.
My advice is to allow someone other than yourself to do the setup and tweaking, and see the results.
Good Luck,
Hammer
Be prepared, you'll need it!
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| | Topic: Newbie, just bought $30,000 pa, take a look, improvements? |
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| Re: Newbie, just bought $30,000 pa, take a look, improvements? [message #337886 is a reply to message #337816 ] |
Sun, 06 July 2008 06:16 |
Mike {AB} Butler
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Location: Lynchburg, VA |
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| Jerome Casinger wrote on Sat, 05 July 2008 19:24 |
Are you suggesting the Driverack PA? I hear the others are much better? I also have the SMAART software for some RTA, even though I am a firm believer that the ears are much better, but the software can help identify problem frequencies, and can hook up to some of the DBX stuff from what I hear.
Thanks again
Jerome
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No, I would suggest a 260 over the driverack, or begrudingly, even the Behringer Unit mentioned by another poster. I would also recommend running your subs aux-fed off the console.. you will be amazed at the quality difference. To do this, you might need to use the DOD crossover on the aux fed subs if you buy the 260, as it only has 2 inputs.
Do a search on the aux fed subs; it is mentioned all the time here..
Regards,
Mike Butler
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| Re: Newbie, just bought $30,000 pa, take a look, improvements? [message #337892 is a reply to message #337611 ] |
Sun, 06 July 2008 07:08 |
Jerome Casinger
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Registered: July 2008
Location: Washington |
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I definitly agree there is alot of low equip in the foh rack that will end up on ebay. There is a ton more gear that is not listed on that list. 3 extra 8 rack cases, a nice shure wireless(cant remember the model off the top of my head), 6 more peavey speakers (ebay!!!), tons more cabeling. I am going to get rid of those effects I think, i agree they are kinda cheesy. I have been reading on the aux fed subs, and I definitly want to do that.
Do you guys use any subharmonic processors like that in the Driverack pa?
As for the C rig comment, no problem brother, I know it is a C rig, I am not trying to make it more than that, I understand where you were coming from. I have used these EAW's alot with a local band that tours, and I am just happy to have a system that I know has some potential.
Should I leave them Bi-Amped? Someone else was saying put the passive crossovers back in them?
Thanks again! I will be out of town till Thursday, but will be checking your thoughts as soon as I get back
Blessings
Jerome
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| Re: Newbie, just bought $30,000 pa, take a look, improvements? [message #337911 is a reply to message #337886 ] |
Sun, 06 July 2008 10:20 |
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Rob Spence
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| Mike {AB} Butler wrote on Sun, 06 July 2008 07:16 |
| Jerome Casinger wrote on Sat, 05 July 2008 19:24 |
Are you suggesting the Driverack PA? I hear the others are much better? I also have the SMAART software for some RTA, even though I am a firm believer that the ears are much better, but the software can help identify problem frequencies, and can hook up to some of the DBX stuff from what I hear.
Thanks again
Jerome
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No, I would suggest a 260 over the driverack, or begrudingly, even the Behringer Unit mentioned by another poster. I would also recommend running your subs aux-fed off the console.. you will be amazed at the quality difference. To do this, you might need to use the DOD crossover on the aux fed subs if you buy the 260, as it only has 2 inputs.
Do a search on the aux fed subs; it is mentioned all the time here..
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Note that the 260 is also a Driverack along with the less useful PA model.
Rob Spence
Lynx Audio Services
E-Mail Rob -at- LynxAudioServices -dot- com
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| Re: Newbie, just bought $30,000 pa, take a look, improvements? [message #337942 is a reply to message #337911 ] |
Sun, 06 July 2008 12:17 |
Mike {AB} Butler
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Whoops, thanks for the correction, gotta quit posting so early in the AM 
Yes, I recommend the Driverack 260 - instead of the Driverack PA Unit.
Regards
Mike Butler
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| | Topic: stage monitoring for e drums |
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| Re: stage monitoring for e drums [message #337943 is a reply to message #337798 ] |
Sun, 06 July 2008 12:23 |
Jeff Williams
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Registered: June 2008
Location: Tulsa, OK |
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As a soundman/drummer I can tell you the only way I'm happy with my Roland e-drums is thru my own monitor mix in the IEMs. All the band is on IEM and can hear exactly what they want. We play alot of looped material, click, etc so I have the loops in a channel, kick in it's own channel, then everything else on a single channel. I use an acoustic snare and it has its own channel, it's triggered with a low, effects heavy, send on the "everything else" channel.
I've played e-drums in various degrees since 1986 (before IEMs). Previous to the IEMs I used a mono out to my own rack in the drummer position and then another send to the front of the house (mono) I had 2 15"/horn cabinets behind me for the other guys to get what they need. Sounds like the bass cab might provide you with a slightly different version of that.
I use 10 different kits on a cover bands 40 song night (Def Leppard to AFI). My preferred way is to do the homework upfront and get the mix balance I want (for all 10 kits and loops) that way the gigs where sound is provided I don't have to worry about the house guy knowing when I change kits and having to compensate.
I run a mono front of house so I don't have to worry about stereo.
Hope that helps some.
Jeff
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