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 Truly don't like Monitor Guys? [message #323327] |
Fri, 16 May 2008 06:40 |
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So under Primary job description you have FOH engineer but no Monitor guy... Seems us monitor guys aren't welcome here!
Karl
MrSoundman813@hotmail.com
"If you look into one side of the spoon you're right side up, and the other side you're upside down... Where do you turn around?"
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| Forum: Road Test |
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| Topic: Peavey Versarray |
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| Re: Peavey Versarray [message #323340 is a reply to message #321186 ] |
Fri, 16 May 2008 08:02 |
 E. Lee Dickinson
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Holy Cow, John. Did you donate that rig for Relay, or did they have the budget for it?
E. Lee Dickinson
Advanced Visual Production Inc.
sound - lighting - video - design
www.avpric.com
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| Re: Peavey Versarray [message #323403 is a reply to message #323340 ] |
Fri, 16 May 2008 11:03 |
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John Moore
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Registered: March 2006
Location: Tracy, CA |
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Fully donated. We did the stage, lighting and sound for the event. Will be doing so for the next 2 years for now...this is our second year doing this event to help Fight Back in the war against cancer. It was quite an undertaking since all the help is volunteer to set up and tear down. There is a time lapse of the event on Sunday at our website...
The sound was quite awesome and as stated above, covered the entire field quite well (except behind the stage)
[Updated on: Fri, 16 May 2008 11:13]
Always in upgrade mode, I hate that...
Trinity Productions
http://www.trinityprosound.com
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| Topic: APB Dynasonics MixSwitch |
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| Re: APB Dynasonics MixSwitch [message #323415 is a reply to message #316570 ] |
Fri, 16 May 2008 11:29 |
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drewgandy
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| Bennett Prescott wrote on Fri, 25 April 2008 20:01 |
Drew,
The idea is that a club that has live music most nights can leave their installed PA and live band board in place and when it's time for a DJ, press a button and be ready to go, with a nice stereo limiter in place to keep an overenthusiastic noise maker under control. The controls for that could be anywhere, due to the GPIO on the back, and with the MixSwitch locked in an equipment room club management won't have to worry about having their patrons molecules disassociated by high SPL on off days.
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I understand the function. And it looks to be quite elegant. I just have a hard time seeing a lot of the combo livemusic/dj clubs adding this to their rack of behringer stuff. I can hear the pitch from the installer: "You've just invested a lot of money. Now we need to protect that $10k investment by adding this $2k mixswitch." But don't mind me, I don't get out much.
That said, I just came up with a techie question about the club scenario. How would you deal with aux fed subs? The live music console would feed three lines to the switch but a DJ would likely only feed the L/R. How do you feed to the subs from the DJ input? (or an ipod for that matter) If you assign to 1/2 and 3 at the same time does it mix the 1/2(L/R) together to feed the #3 output?
drew
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| Re: APB Dynasonics MixSwitch [message #323424 is a reply to message #323415 ] |
Fri, 16 May 2008 11:55 |
Chuck Augustowski
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If your DJ Mixer only had Left-Right outputs while your FOH console and system uses Left-Right-Sub, we would suggest that you use the Stereo Line Input for your DJ input (Bonus, a limiter is available - With On switch - on this channel with adjustable threshold). This gives you assignment to Bus 1 and 2 as the default Left/Right Stereo Mix. You have two addition summed mono Mix Buses to assign to from this input. If your FOH console/System is using 3 OR 4 as the Sub Mix, you would assign this DJ input to 3 or 4 as a summed Mono of the stereo input to the sub channel in balanced with the Left/Right mix. This doers not need to be a DJ mixer but instead could be a 3rd console in festival applications. Note that this is the Stereo Line Input.
You can use the additional "Stereo Program Input" in the same way (2 DJ's), but usually this is meant as a direct music playback into your system (No DJ) enabling both front (iPod) or rear panel music playback input for your system without depending upon your console for this playback. (HF/LF EQ as well as limiter included on Stereo Program Input) This also means you can start tearing down you console while still providing music (and announcements) without depending upon your console for this function.
Chuck Augustowski
APB-DynaSonics
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| Topic: JTR Speakers "Growler" is Going on a Road Test |
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| Re: JTR Speakers "Growler" is Going on a Road Test [message #323337 is a reply to message #323283 ] |
Fri, 16 May 2008 07:59 |
E. Lee Dickinson
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Yeah. It's just cracked down at the mouth of the horn, so I don't think it's going to play a part in driver over-excursion or anything. Here come the pics.
These show the two corners, what I call "bottom front" if the horn mouth is down.
Here's the mini shootout:
From L to R:
JBL VRX918S, Growlers, Yamaha SW118, Yorkville LS608.
Unfortunately we didn't get good performance from the growlers because, as mentioned, the driver blew as soon as we tried to crank them at all. One think I'll say, this is the first time I've ever put my SW118s on a "good" amplifier, and they sure sounded better than they ever have before.
Rule number 1 in subwoofer land? Power, power, power.
Everyone was also impressed with the SX300s which, in my opinion, are a real sleeper of a cabinet. Super durable, good quality, great loudness. They really come alive when they have enough power.
I'll repeat the test when I have a new driver for the JTRs.
Hey, another thing that leads me to believe the growler was bad... notice the strap. ONE of them was walking all around, the other didn't budget. It just wasn't performing.
E. Lee Dickinson
Advanced Visual Production Inc.
sound - lighting - video - design
www.avpric.com
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| Re: JTR Speakers "Growler" is Going on a Road Test [message #323338 is a reply to message #323337 ] |
Fri, 16 May 2008 08:00 |
E. Lee Dickinson
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Hmm. Those first images showed up in Preview.
E. Lee Dickinson
Advanced Visual Production Inc.
sound - lighting - video - design
www.avpric.com
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| Re: JTR Speakers "Growler" is Going on a Road Test [message #323339 is a reply to message #323338 ] |
Fri, 16 May 2008 08:00 |
E. Lee Dickinson
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E. Lee Dickinson
Advanced Visual Production Inc.
sound - lighting - video - design
www.avpric.com
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| Re: JTR Speakers "Growler" is Going on a Road Test [message #323343 is a reply to message #323339 ] |
Fri, 16 May 2008 08:17 |
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Jim Duyck
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dang!!! that's some serious smacking around!!! i opted for no corners - i think it looks a lot cleaner and more professional that way. not to mention i felt like the 18mm birch ply + Line X coating would be plenty strong - and it has been.
~jim~
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| Re: JTR Speakers "Growler" is Going on a Road Test [message #323351 is a reply to message #323339 ] |
Fri, 16 May 2008 08:52 |
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Ivan Beaver
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I would be concerned with the break and how it unloads the horn. If there is an air path from the outside world to the horn in the middle of the path somewhere-as I suspect there is now, then it will not perform properly.
Not so much from an overexcursion problem, but rather a complete "detuning" of the horn.
In regards to the driver going bad, I suspect the previous user pushed it just to the failing point (let most of the smoke out), and you gave it its last breath.
If one driver went bad so easily, I would suspect the other to not be far behind, as the previous user probably was giving them the same signal. Now if during the fall, the magnet shifted on the woofer, then it would also fail early.
No way to tell without futher investigation.
The drivers in the Growlers are pretty stout, so something must be wrong, other than normal operation and it failing.
Can I have some more talent in the monitors--PLEASE?
Ivan Beaver
dB Audio & Video Inc.
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| Re: JTR Speakers "Growler" is Going on a Road Test [message #323364 is a reply to message #323351 ] |
Fri, 16 May 2008 09:28 |
Jeff Babcock
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Ivan is absolutely right, any air leak into the cabinet will almost certainly alter it beyond the point of it being a usable reference for how growlers sound.
That said, I don't know the internal details of the growler's horn geometry, but this doesn't look good if that damage is not repaired. Perhaps something like PL Premium could be used to seal the crack? Jeff should probably advise. I wouldn't just slap the new driver in the cabinet without sorting out the cabinet damage as well.
My bet is the magnet shifted when the other damage occurred. The growler's driver is a huge beast and I have not heard of a failure prior to this, even with it being severely overpowered.
This is too bad, and stories like this make me extra nervous any time I ship a pallet of cabs.
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| Re: JTR Speakers "Growler" is Going on a Road Test [message #323443 is a reply to message #323337 ] |
Fri, 16 May 2008 12:50 |
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Evan Kirkendall
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That damage looks rough. I cracked the corners a little when I had them, but man, I could never do that kind of damage! It wouldnt surprise me if they were dropped a few times. Sure, I drove them pretty hard, but as of the subwoofer shootout, they were working just fine.
I'd be really interested to see how the LS608's perform against the Growlers. Those were some pretty sweet little subs.
Oh, and I dont think these growlers should be shipped around anymore... I just see the cabinets getting destroyed. I think they should be hand delivered from person to person. Just my .02.
Thanks,
Evan
HarfordSound
ATL Tour Blog
"No, It's not too loud. You're just too old."
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| Forum: LAB Subwoofer |
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| Topic: DIY compact sub cabinet |
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| Re: DIY compact sub cabinet [message #323317 is a reply to message #317809 ] |
Fri, 16 May 2008 05:03 |
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| Marjan Milosevic(MarjanM) wrote on Tue, 29 April 2008 15:07 |
Just the thickness of the material. 18mm that is.
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When I run those numbers I get a 61.33 hz tuning, not a 40 hz tuning.
I personally would suggest going 141L (5 cubic feet) with 2 12cm (4.75") ports 21cm (8.25") deep. That gives you a 40 hz tuning with a nice plus or minus .75 db shelf from 42 hz to 200 hz, about where you want a kick drum monitor in my opinion.
Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword has obviously never encountered automatic weapons - Gen. Douglas MacArthur
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| Topic: LAB Grille? |
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| Re: LAB Grille? [message #323319 is a reply to message #314591 ] |
Fri, 16 May 2008 05:23 |
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jeffhtg (Jeff Kenney)
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Registered: April 2004
Location: Orlando |
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I used to always have pennfab precut my grills - they come in powdercoat too!
the foam I used was a very thin membrane type foam.. just spray glued it and slapped it to the inside of my grill.. 5 years later and its still there and looks good!
*you can just tell your pennfab rep you want a "speaker grille" they have sold quite a bit of em.. same with the foam!
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| Topic: EAW SB-850 vs... |
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| Re: EAW SB-850 vs... [message #323320 is a reply to message #301298 ] |
Fri, 16 May 2008 05:25 |
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jeffhtg (Jeff Kenney)
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Registered: April 2004
Location: Orlando |
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if size isnt a issue I just recently used a single pair of 528z's in an install.. altho its a much larger box I was impressed with the performance of these subs!
*edit* a side note: I used to not be impressed at EAW bass at all.. the sb1000/the 850 sub/ etc.. EAW has come a long way in improving driver technology and these subs are starting to grow on me. (Altho I'd probably still buy Danley's box - or some Martins - "if it was for me")
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| Re: EAW SB-850 vs... [message #323372 is a reply to message #323196 ] |
Fri, 16 May 2008 09:59 |
Kevin Ballard
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Registered: April 2004
Location: England |
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| Pascal Pincosy wrote on Thu, 15 May 2008 23:43 |
| brandon g. romanowski wrote on Thu, 15 May 2008 15:33 |
One thing about distortion in subs.......a lot people prefer it.
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You can add it in, but you can't take it out...
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You can't use that, it's a behringer. All you'll get is distor... Oh hang on though.
Kevin Ballard
Yes the Toilets are over there!
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