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| Re: subs that SNAP instead of FLAP [message #382457 is a reply to message #381913 ] |
Mon, 01 December 2008 09:09 |
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 Jeff Babcock
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| Cliff Adams wrote on Fri, 28 November 2008 17:08 |
I'm just going to have to audition a 410 front-vented box and compare to an 18. I'm thinking that subs are for home theaters and discos.
...subwoofer freqs are effects, not music.
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Cliff, it seems that you have a considerably different idea about what you want your PA to sound like than what might be considered normal these days, or should I say in the last 30 years.
There is nothing wrong with wanting to sound different, but I for one am thoroughly confused as to your intentions.
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| Re: subs that SNAP instead of FLAP [message #382494 is a reply to message #382457 ] |
Mon, 01 December 2008 11:38 |
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drewgandy
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| Jeff Babcock wrote on Mon, 01 December 2008 09:09 |
| Cliff Adams wrote on Fri, 28 November 2008 17:08 |
I'm just going to have to audition a 410 front-vented box and compare to an 18. I'm thinking that subs are for home theaters and discos.
...subwoofer freqs are effects, not music.
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Cliff, it seems that you have a considerably different idea about what you want your PA to sound like than what might be considered normal these days, or should I say in the last 30 years.
There is nothing wrong with wanting to sound different, but I for one am thoroughly confused as to your intentions.
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My Dad doesn't appreciate anything more than AM radio bandwidth. And I can understand where he is coming from. Extended bass that is done poorly might not be better than well done bass that only extends to 75hz. Most musical instruments don't need low bass to be appreciated. As Antone wrote, electric bass guitar (especially the old motown types) is actually pretty deficient in the fundamentals but rich in harmonics. Fat bass doesn't necessarily have to go low. And when it comes to extended treble.... if you are an american over 60, can you even hear above 8khz?
Without hearing what the original poster does musically, I'm not sure what to recommend.
drew
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| Re: subs that SNAP instead of FLAP [message #382586 is a reply to message #381913 ] |
Mon, 01 December 2008 17:49 |
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Andy Peters
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| Cliff Adams wrote on Fri, 28 November 2008 15:08 |
Andy's right - again - about the 'snap' coming from the top boxes. Guys, I'm just going to have to audition a 410 front-vented box and compare to an 18. I'm thinking that subs are for home theaters and discos. And disco sucks! Or did...
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A 4x10 box is good if you're playing a bass through an SVT head. The 8x10 box? Doubly so.
But the 18" drivers in a proper enclosure will play much lower.
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In other words, subwoofer freqs are effects, not music. Did they pass new regs while I was out of circulation? Is it now required that bands all sound like Genesis in Madison Square?
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I suppose there's an argument to be made that modern kick drum sounds (bass punching you in the chest) are indeed effects. But sure, a lot of that punch is actually from the lows in the box, and the infamous Metallica CLICK is all 2" compression driver. And some people think that we put subs on an aux send because using subs is an "effect." But really -- if you want that bottom octave that is de rigeuer for what the kids these days call ROCK AND ROLL, you need subs.
Now I have no problem with bands sounding like Genesis, as long as Steve Hackett is playing guitar and Peter Gabriel is singing. That Collins guy's voice and his solo records, I have no use for, though his drumming is solid (though he's no Bruford).
I did a show with (one of) the School Of Rock All-Stars, and this 11-year-old kid sang "The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway" like nobody's business.
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"It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue."
"On the Internet, nobody can hear you mix a band."
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