| What are your camlock gendering standards? [message #279681] |
Mon, 07 January 2008 17:37  |
 Brad Ferguson
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| Your Cam gender standard[ 86 vote(s) ] |
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| 1. | All straight cams |  35 / 41% | | 2. | Ground reverse only | 3 / 3% | | 3. | Neutral reverse only | 0 / 0% | | 4. | Ground & Neutral reverse | 48 / 56% |
We're debating between amalgamating two standards, and we want to adopt what is more common-practice than anything.
So, please let me know what is more common place in your mind, or what you are practicing.
Thanks!
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Brad Ferguson
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| Re: What are your camlock gendering standards? [message #279699 is a reply to message #279681 ] |
Mon, 07 January 2008 18:08  |
Geri O'Neil
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Ten years ago, I was being fussed at for having straight cams. These days, I'm being fussed at for turning around the ground and neutral.
I love this business. Some days more than others.
Geri O
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| Re: What are your camlock gendering standards? [message #279752 is a reply to message #279745 ] |
Mon, 07 January 2008 19:51 |
trace knight
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I run straight, all the same end, however, I carry turn arounds also, seems I run into a 50/50 mix all over the place, seems the west coast is more into the reversed in my book, as opposed to the east coast.....your own working solution is best, but have turn-arounds anyways, your gonna use em eventually. Mistake proof, sure, but you can always screw up on the tail end of the tie in, been there, seen it done, caught it, sent the lame sparky away!
tk
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| Re: What are your camlock gendering standards? [message #279796 is a reply to message #279755 ] |
Mon, 07 January 2008 20:57 |
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| Paul Bell wrote on Mon, 07 January 2008 19:53 |
It looks like all Motion Labs racks have the ground and neutrals reversed.
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Actually they make it however you want.
I am all straight
Venues are 50/50 just like the poll.
sincerely,
db
p.s. I see more lighting companies with reverse ground neutral.
Dan Brown
REACH Communications
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| Re: What are your camlock gendering standards? [message #279800 is a reply to message #279732 ] |
Mon, 07 January 2008 21:01 |
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Milt Hathaway
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| Craig Leerman wrote on Mon, 07 January 2008 19:17 |
Unless I missed something, reversing your Neutral and Ground is not to Code.
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This is addressed in the Code?
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FitzCo Sound, Inc.
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| Re: What are your camlock gendering standards? [message #279801 is a reply to message #279800 ] |
Mon, 07 January 2008 21:13 |
Brad Ferguson
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As the creator of this post, I used to slightly prefer straight cams until this scenario played out:
Some drunk dude at a festival got to our generator. The producer of the show thought it'd be a smart move to put it on the other side of the fence from the audience, but completely exposed to the general population. We're assuming he was drunk because of what happened. They unterminated one hot leg, then the neutral, and then reterminated them backwards.
This was my first festival, and I saw our A-1 running from FOH screaming "WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE POWER, FOH IS ON FIRE!!!" and he ran to the distro and hit the knife.
Every fuse in the rig blew, and it smoked a couple furmans. Thankfully that's all that was damaged.
My vote is for G/N reversed, but we'll see what the poll says.
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Brad Ferguson
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| Re: What are your camlock gendering standards? [message #279826 is a reply to message #279796 ] |
Mon, 07 January 2008 22:06 |
Shane Presley
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With the exception of colour blind people and Brads drunken crowd member - what kind of retard can't figure out red goes to red, and white goes to white and black...... +1 for having the through cams on the distro - saved my butt at christmas time "caming" into the local convention center which had reversed ground and neutral, oh the humanity... protect us from ourselves. lol
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| Re: What are your camlock gendering standards? [message #279918 is a reply to message #279681 ] |
Tue, 08 January 2008 06:17 |
Geri O'Neil
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Really, Brad, when it comes down to it, it probably doesn't matter how you gender your camloks, unless you can take advantage of cross-rental opportunities with local friendly competitors by wiring up as they do. Otherwise, either way you do it, yer gonna need the turn-arounds.
You might as well flip a coin.
Geri O
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| Re: What are your camlock gendering standards? [message #280001 is a reply to message #279681 ] |
Tue, 08 January 2008 12:38 |
Matthew Knischewsky
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Hey Brad, I can't remember the last time I saw someone from our neck of the woods using straight cams, it's always ground-neutral reversed. This includes temporary power companies too. many venues that have cams installed have both genders, or have turnarounds.
I suppose that instead of you having 1 bundle of camlock you could bundle your hots together, and your ground and neutral together so it could be run either way. or just carry turn-arounds.
I've never had an ESA inspector have a problem with ground-neutral reverse.
[Updated on: Tue, 08 January 2008 13:29]
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just throwing it out there. 