| Yorkville LS608 vs JTR Growler [message #364391] |
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I'm looking for a small sub that I can put in my car (to TRANSPORT TO SHOWS) BUT add another later and have a half decent sound reinforcement system. These two are the ones I've found to be favorites around here.
I am going to add one set of mains, and just have ONE sub for now to get started. I will without a doubt add another in another half year/year from now, and maybe more later. But for now it's just one sub. Power will probably be a QSC RMX 1450.
Which would be "better" for my situation?
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| Re: Yorkville LS608 vs JTR Growler [message #364393 is a reply to message #364391 ] |
Sun, 28 September 2008 14:26  |
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Why not just go get a decent car audio sub?
Would be cheaper too...
-will
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| Re: Yorkville LS608 vs JTR Growler [message #364483 is a reply to message #364413 ] |
Sun, 28 September 2008 20:57 |
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 Phil Lewandowski
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I can't give a review on the LS608 as I have not personally heard/used it.
I own 2 Growlers and have heard 2 Growlers compared next to 2 TH-Mini's. These were actually the 2 subs I was deciding between.
Pretty Much-
Growlers:
-Loud and get low for their size, in a standard horn.
-Very nice smooth and nice musical sound
-get lower than TH-Mini's
TH-Mini:
-Smaller than Growlers by a lot
-Can't get as low as the Growler and you can hear this pretty clearly in side-by-side demo
-Very nice sounding also, but just doesn't have that nice slightly lower end extension that we heard in Growler
-will get slightly louder than the Growler through its usable output
So, I went with the Growler because I needed the extra low end for the DJ gigs I do on the side and it just had that extra low "punch" to use a cliche term. But if you are just going to be using the subs for live bands and such the TH-Mini will do just fine reproducing the kick and bass guitar, and will get very loud for its size!
If the LS608 has a similar sound to the LS808 and LS1208 I would pick the Growler over it because the Growler is much smoother sounding.
Take Care!
Phil
[Updated on: Sun, 28 September 2008 20:59]
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| Re: Yorkville LS608 vs JTR Growler [message #364488 is a reply to message #364391 ] |
Sun, 28 September 2008 21:45 |
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Evan Kirkendall
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The LS608 is a little "boomier" then both the Growler and mini, but they are pretty kick ass little subs. The LS608 does NOTHING below 50hz, while the Growler manages to get down to 45ish fairly well. The mini also doesnt do much below 50hz, and is much smaller. I wasnt really a fan of the mini's. They are cool for music playback, but one of them was very underwhelming. You just cant expect a ton from a single 10" driver.
My pick would be the LS608. Those guys can take some abuse and have a lot of output for their size. They arent the best sounding subs of the bunch, but they are the best value. I loved my pair when I had them.
Though, I'd also suggest the UCS1. It's a very assy sub, and sounds better then the Growler, IMO. It's got a longer horn then the Growler, so it can knock out those lower notes better.
Evan
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| Re: Yorkville LS608 vs JTR Growler [message #364505 is a reply to message #364488 ] |
Sun, 28 September 2008 23:25 |
 Winston Gamble
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| Evan Kirkendall wrote on Mon, 29 September 2008 03:45 |
The LS608 is a little "boomier" then both the Growler and mini, but they are pretty kick ass little subs. The LS608 does NOTHING below 50hz, while the Growler manages to get down to 45ish fairly well. The mini also doesnt do much below 50hz, and is much smaller. I wasnt really a fan of the mini's. They are cool for music playback, but one of them was very underwhelming. You just cant expect a ton from a single 10" driver.
My pick would be the LS608. Those guys can take some abuse and have a lot of output for their size. They arent the best sounding subs of the bunch, but they are the best value. I loved my pair when I had them.
Though, I'd also suggest the UCS1. It's a very assy sub, and sounds better then the Growler, IMO. It's got a longer horn then the Growler, so it can knock out those lower notes better.
Evan
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The only thing I will disagree with is the notion that one Mini is lacking some how, that and I manage to get solid response to 45hz. In my experience, it's performance as a single is one of it's strongest points. One sounds just like two, only not as loud. My issue with our previous small folded horns (Tuba 24's), was they're uneven frequency response when use as a single sub. Once I started grouping them they improved, but they became a one note wonder when used alone. Granted, they were not in the same league as Growlers, but standard small folded horns are all presented with the same laws of physics. They just work better in groups, preferably groups of four or more.
Will one Mini fill the house? No, but it will keep up with any single 18" I"ve seen or heard, it just won't go as low as many. The saying that there is no replacement for displacement, rings true to me, but the Mini certainly pushes the envelope. If size is an issue for you, nothing that I've seen or heard come close to the Mini when it come to actually being mini.
Winston
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| Re: Yorkville LS608 vs JTR Growler [message #364918 is a reply to message #364483 ] |
Tue, 30 September 2008 02:47 |
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| Caleb Dick wrote on Sun, 28 September 2008 21:47 |
Danley TH-Mini's are even smaller, with a little more output.
Caleb
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| Winston Gamble wrote on Sun, 28 September 2008 16:44 |
+1! We love our TH-Minis they are about 40% smaller than the growler and get just as loud, which is damn loud. Both are high quality units.
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| Phil Lewandowski wrote on Sun, 28 September 2008 20:57 |
I own 2 Growlers and have heard 2 Growlers compared next to 2 TH-Mini's. These were actually the 2 subs I was deciding between.
TH-Mini:-will get slightly louder than the Growler through its usable output.
Take Care!
Phil
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Kinda curious why everyone is confident is this when JTR doesn't list peak output? At the PSW shootout growlers survived an amplifier that made the mini's big brother go up in smoke while producing 129db@16ft which equals 135db@1m from a single growler. It seems that most turn a blind eye toward driver excursion. Its simple, a driver's excursion determines displacement and when it runs out of travel than it runs out of output no matter how much power the voicecoil can consume.
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| Re: Yorkville LS608 vs JTR Growler [message #365023 is a reply to message #364918 ] |
Tue, 30 September 2008 13:26 |
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Phil Lewandowski
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| Jeff Permanian wrote on Tue, 30 September 2008 03:47 |
| Caleb Dick wrote on Sun, 28 September 2008 21:47 |
Danley TH-Mini's are even smaller, with a little more output.
Caleb
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| Winston Gamble wrote on Sun, 28 September 2008 16:44 |
+1! We love our TH-Minis they are about 40% smaller than the growler and get just as loud, which is damn loud. Both are high quality units.
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| Phil Lewandowski wrote on Sun, 28 September 2008 20:57 |
I own 2 Growlers and have heard 2 Growlers compared next to 2 TH-Mini's. These were actually the 2 subs I was deciding between.
TH-Mini:-will get slightly louder than the Growler through its usable output.
Take Care!
Phil
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Kinda curious why everyone is confident is this when JTR doesn't list peak output? At the PSW shootout growlers survived an amplifier that made the mini's big brother go up in smoke while producing 129db@16ft which equals 135db@1m from a single growler. It seems that most turn a blind eye toward driver excursion. Its simple, a driver's excursion determines displacement and when it runs out of travel than it runs out of output no matter how much power the voicecoil can consume.
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Very good point Jeff, I personally can't be for sure between the Mini's and Growlers which will have more output since I haven't tested that.
Looking at specs with rated program power the Mini's are rated just slightly higher in output, but that can all go out the door in the real world.
All I can say is that the Growlers are not short on output by any means!
Also Jeff, just to clarify, are you saying that the Growlers were measured at that shootout producing 129dB @ 19ft? Which is pretty loud! If not, do you know what they were measured at out of curiosity?
Take Care!
Phil
[Updated on: Tue, 30 September 2008 13:28]
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) if you decide to purchase new I would suggest to save some money and get the carpet version, I own both pairs (carpet & Painted) and to my ears the carpet version sounds smoother then the painted version.
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