| Microwedge Use for Ensemble [message #321877] |
Sun, 11 May 2008 20:51  |
 Josh Oswald
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Yo,
I have the Microwedges in my cross hairs for an install at my church. I have a question for those of you who use the MW. How is the projection front to back. It seems to be designed to have the perform right on top of the wedge. How would they work for large ensembles; like a 6 person vocal ensemble in a line a few feet back from the wedge. I think a heard something about an add-on that increase the angle, but haven't seen it on EAW's site yet.
FYI - consider we'd be using a pair and they'd be on the same mix.
Thanks in advance,
Josh O
[Updated on: Sun, 11 May 2008 20:52]
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| Re: Microwedge Use for Ensemble [message #321914 is a reply to message #321877 ] |
Mon, 12 May 2008 03:38  |
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As usual, the answer is...it depends.
The MW has a 90° conical dispersion. Easy to picture that. On stage it behaves...just like that! The pattern is fairly tight and the drop-off, as you move off axis, is fairly pronounced. That's a good thing, and it's why i have them on my small stage.
I think the optimum position is with the talent 2-5 feet from the wedge. If your ensemble is farther back than that, then yes, you will need to prop the monitor up.
IMO, 2 wedges for 6 singers is pushing it. It depends on how close they stand together, and what the stage volume is like. If the singers are miced and don't need tons of level, then the microwedges are probably your friend. if they are just getting a band mix and move around a lot, then the coverage may not be wide enough.
Hope that helps a little.
waldo
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| Re: Microwedge Use for Ensemble [message #321968 is a reply to message #321877 ] |
Mon, 12 May 2008 10:04 |
Robert Lunceford
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| Josh Oswald wrote on Mon, 12 May 2008 02:51 |
Yo,
I have the Microwedges in my cross hairs for an install at my church. I have a question for those of you who use the MW. How is the projection front to back. It seems to be designed to have the perform right on top of the wedge. How would they work for large ensembles; like a 6 person vocal ensemble in a line a few feet back from the wedge. I think a heard something about an add-on that increase the angle, but haven't seen it on EAW's site yet.
FYI - consider we'd be using a pair and they'd be on the same mix.
Thanks in advance,
Josh O
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You might look at the Bose 620M floor monitor. Since this is for a church install it may be a good fit. It won't come close to the SPL of the Microwedge, but do you really need that high a spl in this venue?
http://pro.bose.com/ProController?url=/pro/products/panaray/ panaray620m/panaray620m.jsp
BTW, were you looking at the 8,12 or 15" Microwedge?
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| Re: Microwedge Use for Ensemble [message #322127 is a reply to message #321968 ] |
Mon, 12 May 2008 18:57 |
Tom Young
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Have you used any of these ?
Just curious. It is a new poduct and I wonder how well it performs and correlates to the published specs.
Tom Young
Electroacoustic Design Services
Oxford CT
Tel: 203.888.6217
Email: dbspl@earthlink.net
www.dbspl.com
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| Re: Microwedge Use for Ensemble [message #322156 is a reply to message #321914 ] |
Mon, 12 May 2008 20:23 |
Josh Oswald
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| waldo [Casey Williams |
wrote on Mon, 12 May 2008 03:38]As usual, the answer is...it depends.
IMO, 2 wedges for 6 singers is pushing it. It depends on how close they stand together, and what the stage volume is like. If the singers are miced and don't need tons of level, then the microwedges are probably your friend. if they are just getting a band mix and move around a lot, then the coverage may not be wide enough.
Hope that helps a little.
waldo
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Stage volume is minimal. We use edrums and the band is on in-ears. Yes, all the singers are close miced with a SM58, and they do stand relatively close together. My main concern is their distance from the front of the wedge. As in, i don't want all the sound shot over their heads into the rafters.
| Robert Lunceford wrote on Mon, 12 May 2008 10:04 |
You might look at the Bose 620M floor monitor. Since this is for a church install it may be a good fit. It won't come close to the SPL of the Microwedge, but do you really need that high a spl in this venue?
BTW, were you looking at the 8,12 or 15" Microwedge?
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The thought of using a Bose product in this install makes me want to put a steak knife through my eye, but if the Bose Wedge works, it works. Have you used it?
I was looking at the Microwedge 12, and i was looking at this unit, not because of the crazy spl it's capable of, but it's low profile design and it's ability to sound good and have good gbf without a ton of EQ.
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| Re: Microwedge Use for Ensemble [message #322298 is a reply to message #322292 ] |
Tue, 13 May 2008 08:57 |
Dave Rat
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Hello Josh,
No, the old Micro's won't fit the MicroLegs,
no fly track on the old ones.
DR
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| Re: Microwedge Use for Ensemble [message #322302 is a reply to message #321877 ] |
Tue, 13 May 2008 09:12 |
Stephen Payne
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Sounds like you could build a sloped box to put them on and cover it with rat fur (sorry MR R). They are nice wedges, I just can't afford them yet.
Steve
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| Re: Microwedge Use for Ensemble [message #323357 is a reply to message #323291 ] |
Fri, 16 May 2008 09:09 |
Jeff Babcock
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Josh,
You might also consider the new Radian version of the microwedge, I can't remember what they call it now, but it's just an updated version of the micro since the EAW changeover. I suspect it will cost a fair bit less than the EAW version if price is a concern and should still sound very good.
That said there are quite a few good coax wedges out there, MW's obviously being at the forefront of the attention, but there are some very good options at lower pricepoints. For lower or mid volume applications (whatever that means....) you might even want to try the EAW VRM12 - not a rock box, but has worked well for me in these scenarios where size and cost were both a consideration. They are very small, extremely inexpensive, and have 2 angles which might help with your angle dilemma. They are probably less than 1/4 the price of the microwedge, and certainly are not up to that standard of quality or output. But in contemporary church install situations they can work very well.
Cheers
Jeff
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