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Sun, 03 June 2007 16:40  |
Geri O'Neil Messages: 2058 Registered: April 2004 Location: Bottom of someone's shoe |
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We've had the UX8800s for 3 weeks now and I'm really liking what they do for our speaker rigs. At the time we got them, we had a string of small KF-850z w/ SB-1000 gigs while the 760 rig didn't move for a couple of weekends, but this past weekend, we finally had our first show with the 760s and the 8800s. I've written about the 8800s at the EAW forums, but I wasn't sure if there would be any interest around here about them (it's not a sub shoot-out after all). However, I would like to post some thoughts about them since they were fairly well anticipated, more so than I originally thought.
I defnitely like what they do for these two speaker rigs. I like it a lot. All of the comments that were made about the NT series of speakers can certainly be applied to the KF-760s and the KF-850zs. Smooth, sweet-sounding, clean, detailed, in-your-face without hammering you with volume. Naturally, all of that depends on what you're mixing through them and I can say that they won't improve a lousy band or mix. In fact, whatever is being played through them will be more accurately reproduced, which may or may not be a good thing...
The units appear very-well built, even some of the beefiest rack ears I've ever seen. The top and sides of the unit is perforated for ventilation and I'm hearing mixed recommendations on whether or not there should be a single space left above the units when rack-mounted. There's the usual IEC power cable and I've got to figure out a way to secure the cables as there's no external screws on the panel-mount IEC connector to attach a retainer to (Troy, gotta call Markertek and see if they have an alternative, all those retainers I ordered are useless... )
As for operational details, there's a lot of things going on in the 8800. It has two modes of operation. The first mode is yer basic system processor mode with all of the usual processor features, as well as improvements on those features. First, the communication is Ethernet. Yippee. There's also EAW's communication protocol (right term?) called U-Net which allows for transfer of communications data as well as audio from the first unit to the next units. This feature wasn't up and running on the units we got, but a firmware update is on the way to implement this feature (I'm thinking they sent these basically-operational units on out to shut me up, I've really been on their case for the last year and they've been quite good about it... ). Another cool thing is that there's 12 filters per input and output. And finally, I can say that the things sound really good, just listening to them pass audio. I do believe there's an audio quality improvement over the 8750s, but that's a very unscientific statement, so take it for what it's worth.
The second mode is Loudspeaker Mode, which is where the Gunness Focusing comes into play. This is the mode that used to implement the Gunness Focusing to the various loudspeaker models and there's a library of speaker models in the control program (Although the 8800s are equipped with a full control interface, I've used the control program, called Pilot, almost exclusively). There's many focused speaker models available and I understand that many more are on the way (kinda makes me want to send our older model EAW wedges up there for some custom settings, but I'd hate to see what that would cost, even if they did agree to it... ). And yes, the output settings are locked. However, there's many parameters available for tweaking, including input parametrics, temperature and humidity settings, amp limiter settings, and a feature that is basically a "distance contour" setting. That last one is a lot to get into and I hope one of the guys will come in and explain it better than I can, as well as any inaccuracies I've made here. Understand that all of my observations are under very harried conditions and gig schedules.
I do hope that EAW can release some promotional literature that outlines just what all these things will do because it is somewhat deeper than I anticipated. And I don't want to make it sound like we weren't happy with our EAW gear before we got the 8800s, we've always had great results with the rigs and our repeat business can be somewhat attributed to the rigs we use. But with this processor, they've really hit on something, just about as close to setting up a PA, turning it on, and doing a show with little or no work, other than proper aiming and sub alignment. Speaking of subs, there are focused settings for various subs, and they did their job well. I've been more concerned with how vocals and other instruments sounded, but if things go as planned this weekend (no breath held around here, though), I hope to do some work with sub alignment and tone.
That's about all I can say in a synopsis of this sort. EAW definitely has a winner with the UX8800s. They will be great additions to current EAW speaker rigs and should be considered a necessary part of a system purchase, as with the V-Dosc system and its specific processors. They will also make a great processor for any speaker system, although there's a lot of functions that won't apply to a non-EAW system.
Geri O
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| Re: EAW UX8800s [message #217252 is a reply to message #217244 ] |
Tue, 05 June 2007 23:01   |
Geri O'Neil Messages: 2058 Registered: April 2004 Location: Bottom of someone's shoe |
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| Elliot Thompson wrote on Tue, 05 June 2007 22:12 | Nice review.
I remember you were using the Ashly Protea a few years ago dialing in EAW settings. How would you compare UX 8800 to the Protea?
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Thanx, Elliot. We've always used the MX-8750s with the KF-760 rig, but I was going back and forth between the Proteas and the MX-8750s with the KF-850z depending on what (and who) was going out. And we still are. The Ashlys and the 8750s match up pretty well, only making minute adjustments after looking and transfer screenshots to make up differences in the two.
It's kind of tough to compare the two, really. The Ashly is a great unit. Plenty o' features and horsepower before you starting spending bucks on Dolby Lakes. Yuk, though, serial-port-equipped (it has served us well, I have to admit)
With the UX8800, it's two processors in one. The first is the System mode which is the mode for generic speaker processing. I believe it's definitely a step up in processing power and sound quality. Plus it's Ethernet-equipped. The other mode is the Loudspeaker Mode, which is the greybox mode. Here is the Gunness Focusing capabilities, which is, of course, intended for EAW speakers. So it's a purpose-built box with the generic processor capabilities. I can certainly recommend it for owners of other makes of speakers, but you are buying some horsepower that isn't needed, although you'll be hard-pressed to buy a better processor in this price range (referring to the Dolby Lakes again). This is partly why I was kinda relunctant to write about the unit because it could appear to be an EAW-only processor, which it's certainly not. I'm hoping we can get four more units so we could process, say, 760 mains and outfills, then non-Gunness-Focused speakers for frontfills and rear-fills, all under one program and several connected UX800s. I love Ethernet!! I don't think I mentioned this earlier, but the 8800s are capable of sending out audio over the U-Net data connections to the other units, eliminating jumpers and balanced splits fo make the input connections. Some cool stuff, indeed
Hope this helps,
Geri O
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| Re: EAW UX8800s [message #217535 is a reply to message #216485 ] |
Wed, 06 June 2007 21:28   |
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Martyn "Ferrit" Rowe Messages: 175 Registered: November 2006 Location: Vegas |
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Hey Guy's,
I recently got back from Dallas where I took part in a shoot-out and I've got a measurement of the 730's with Gunness focus on UX8800's
Disclaimer I am an employee of EAW, this measurement is not manufacturer's "marketing curve" but an honest "raw" measurement.
It was taken with an earthworks m30 on an M-audio 410 firewire interface. The mic position is about 75 feet in groundplane (in an aisle between pews). The system was 5x 730's flown just off center house, trim height is about 28 feet to center of the array. The speakers are being operated in 2way mode driven by Crest C80's noise source is from a PM1D. There is 5 points of smoothing on the trace and it's before any EQ was applied just a "greybox tuning".
When I first saw the measurement I thought something was wrong with my gear due to the flat phase trace from about 650Hz up.
Hopefully someone else (Geri?) can take an independent measurement.
Warmest regards,
Ferrit

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| Re: EAW UX8800s [message #219115 is a reply to message #217252 ] |
Tue, 12 June 2007 18:25   |
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Elliot Thompson Messages: 1076 Registered: April 2004 Location: New York |
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| Geri O'Neil wrote on Wed, 06 June 2007 05:01 |
| Elliot Thompson wrote on Tue, 05 June 2007 22:12 | Nice review.
I remember you were using the Ashly Protea a few years ago dialing in EAW settings. How would you compare UX 8800 to the Protea?
Best Regards,
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Thanx, Elliot. We've always used the MX-8750s with the KF-760 rig, but I was going back and forth between the Proteas and the MX-8750s with the KF-850z depending on what (and who) was going out. And we still are. The Ashlys and the 8750s match up pretty well, only making minute adjustments after looking and transfer screenshots to make up differences in the two.
It's kind of tough to compare the two, really. The Ashly is a great unit. Plenty o' features and horsepower before you starting spending bucks on Dolby Lakes. Yuk, though, serial-port-equipped (it has served us well, I have to admit)
With the UX8800, it's two processors in one. The first is the System mode which is the mode for generic speaker processing. I believe it's definitely a step up in processing power and sound quality. Plus it's Ethernet-equipped. The other mode is the Loudspeaker Mode, which is the greybox mode. Here is the Gunness Focusing capabilities, which is, of course, intended for EAW speakers. So it's a purpose-built box with the generic processor capabilities. I can certainly recommend it for owners of other makes of speakers, but you are buying some horsepower that isn't needed, although you'll be hard-pressed to buy a better processor in this price range (referring to the Dolby Lakes again). This is partly why I was kinda relunctant to write about the unit because it could appear to be an EAW-only processor, which it's certainly not. I'm hoping we can get four more units so we could process, say, 760 mains and outfills, then non-Gunness-Focused speakers for frontfills and rear-fills, all under one program and several connected UX800s. I love Ethernet!! I don't think I mentioned this earlier, but the 8800s are capable of sending out audio over the U-Net data connections to the other units, eliminating jumpers and balanced splits fo make the input connections. Some cool stuff, indeed
Hope this helps,
Geri O
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Very helpful indeed.
Thanks.
Best Regards,
Elliot
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| Re: EAW UX8800s [message #219123 is a reply to message #219115 ] |
Tue, 12 June 2007 18:39   |
Geri O'Neil Messages: 2058 Registered: April 2004 Location: Bottom of someone's shoe |
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One thing I made not have made clear, Elliot, is that in Loudspeaker Mode, you can still have generic processing if you were to, say, run a 760 rig with some other make of subs, frontfills, outfills, what have you. You assign settings to an input, so you can have, say, 760 settings on one input, which will take 4 legs (low, mid, high, long-throw high), then assign another input to the generic processing, which will allow as many legs as you need and/or what is available.
Did I say I love Ethernet??....
Geri O
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| Re: EAW UX8800s [message #220000 is a reply to message #216485 ] |
Fri, 15 June 2007 13:33   |
John Chiara Messages: 1117 Registered: April 2004 Location: Troy, NY |
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Geri,
How many inputs and outputs on the UX8800?
Thanks,
John
"mix is a verb, not a noun"
John A. Chiara aka. Blind Johnny
Albany Audio Associates Inc.
Troy, NY
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| Re: EAW UX8800s [message #220106 is a reply to message #220006 ] |
Fri, 15 June 2007 22:32   |
John Chiara Messages: 1117 Registered: April 2004 Location: Troy, NY |
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I could NOT get there when I went to the site earlier today..really!!
Thanks,
John
"mix is a verb, not a noun"
John A. Chiara aka. Blind Johnny
Albany Audio Associates Inc.
Troy, NY
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| Re: EAW UX8800s [message #220113 is a reply to message #220106 ] |
Fri, 15 June 2007 22:51   |
Geri O'Neil Messages: 2058 Registered: April 2004 Location: Bottom of someone's shoe |
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| John Chiara wrote on Fri, 15 June 2007 22:32 |
I could NOT get there when I went to the site earlier today..really!!
Thanks,
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That link is hard to find, but I guess you found out what you needed to know...4 in, 8 out.
And Ethernet!!
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| Re: EAW UX8800s [message #223927 is a reply to message #223821 ] |
Sat, 30 June 2007 23:14   |
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Troy Gwin Messages: 222 Registered: January 2006 Location: Columbia, SC |
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That would be really funny if EAW came up with settings for other brand speakers. Doubt you will ever see that.
On another note, we used the UX8800s on our KF730s tonight for the first time (we've only been using them with our KF760s up to this point). I wasn't at the show (it was out of town), but one of my engineers called me to say it was "f*&%ing unbelievable." (his words) Another one called me to tell me that it sounded like a high end pair of headphone or a set of studio monitors. He was blown away.
I think we'll set up a Gunnness Focused KF730 rig for our 4th of July company party and make some serious noise with our fireworks display. We do a yearly show for a fireworks distributor and we trade out for fireworks at wholesale prices. We end up with a pretty serious fireworks display.
Should be fun.
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