| stage/stair lip speaker options [message #315526] |
Wed, 23 April 2008 12:30  |
 Adam Kane
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Anyone have any suggestions for this application? I'm somewhat familiar with the SLS 2413ST, but I'd like opinions on other options. Anything a little cheaper?
Adam "Drumrkane"
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| Re: stage/stair lip speaker options [message #315545 is a reply to message #315526 ] |
Wed, 23 April 2008 13:10  |
Brad Weber
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Bag End TA6000-S, OAP NF-241HP or NF-331HP, Renkus-Heinz SGX42 (SG42 is a powered version) and Tannoy IS52. I'm not sure how prices compare.
Brad Weber
muse Audio Video
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| Re: stage/stair lip speaker options [message #315762 is a reply to message #315697 ] |
Wed, 23 April 2008 21:07 |
Duane Massey
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Meyer has an excellent "munchkin" speaker that sounds great, but I'll bet is is not cheap.
Duane Massey
Houston, Texas, USA
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| Re: stage/stair lip speaker options [message #315915 is a reply to message #315526 ] |
Thu, 24 April 2008 07:09 |
Tom Young
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There are many loudspeakers that could do this job. The following are better than most of the others.
EAW (JF60, JF80, UB-series)
Yamaha Commercial
JBL
EV (Xi1082, perhaps others)
Meyer (selfpowered and probably the most expensive)
Renkus Heinz
I think it is also important to try to match the supplemental loudspeakers in a system to the primary loudspeakers.
[Updated on: Thu, 24 April 2008 07:18]
Tom Young
Electroacoustic Design Services
Oxford CT
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| Re: stage/stair lip speaker options [message #315928 is a reply to message #315915 ] |
Thu, 24 April 2008 08:14 |
Adam Kane
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Thanks everyone for the responses. I'll get to checking them out.
Adam "Drumrkane"
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| Re: stage/stair lip speaker options [message #317118 is a reply to message #315928 ] |
Sun, 27 April 2008 19:49 |
Chris Glanzer
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Hello Adam,
I actually use four Evid 4.2's for this exact use. They only have spring clip connectors on the back...that bites.
To work around this, I installed two NL4s on each Evid. I wire two of them on pair one of the NL4, and two of them on pair two of the NL4. The unused pair is passed through the speaker so that they can be daisy chained. With each Evid being an 8 ohm load, all four of them load both channels of an old Carver pm1.5 nicely.
The real beauty is in the flexibility of this string of Evids...I can put pairs together to mimic whatever stereo spread I have.
ie - ONE-->--ONE-->--TWO-->--TWO-->-->-->--AMP
However, when dealing with a theater with a loud pit...I put a pair in the middle and spit the opposite pair. This allows me to run my vocal front-fill matrix louder in the middle.
.............Really Loud Pit..................
ie - ONE-->--TWO-->--TWO-->--ONE-->-->-->--AMP
Of course, these speakers need a significant high pass for protection as well as a bit of high shelf cut to smooth them out a bit.
I have used them to front fill comedy acts, theater, worship bands, rock, and symphony. Initially, I was going to place a DPDT switch so that each speaker could select pair one or two...but that could potentially drop the load below 4 ohm...and the old Carver would not like that very much.
I can post some pics if you would like.
Chris Glanzer
GlanzerProAudio
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| Re: stage/stair lip speaker options [message #317269 is a reply to message #317241 ] |
Mon, 28 April 2008 09:20 |
Tom Young
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I suspect I cannot recall all of the manufacturers who provide this type of loudspeaker (and there are not many), but the one's I evaluated were pretty bad: lousy LF response, lousy through-crossover response, poor build quality).
So I suggest you determine a well designed loudspeaker with the appropriate size, coverage and cost and then create a cavity for each of these in the poured concrete. make sure this cavity is a tight fit. I would go the extra step of suspending the loudspeaker boxes in the cavity with polyurethane pour (or spray) foam to kill vibrations, movement and cavity effects. Assuming the drivers are accessible from the front, this will not impact future servicing. I have taken the above steps with great results.
Bottom line: don't let your desire for a back box for installtion into slab be the determining factor in what you select.
Tom Young
Electroacoustic Design Services
Oxford CT
Tel: 203.888.6217
Email: dbspl@earthlink.net
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| Re: stage/stair lip speaker options [message #317277 is a reply to message #317269 ] |
Mon, 28 April 2008 09:51 |
Adam Kane
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Tom,
Thanks for your input. My experience with these is fairly limited as we have not had any installation that have required these until recently. Regarding my experience with the SLS boxes...we went in to "repair" someone elses job. They had them installed and had not bothered to adjust any delay/eq settings in the dsp so people up front were complaing that they were more of a distraction than a help.
After hearing what you have to say, I will probably make it a point to demo some of these things (once we decide on primary cabinets) before deciding on a model.
Adam "Drumrkane"
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| Re: stage/stair lip speaker options [message #319490 is a reply to message #319170 ] |
Sun, 04 May 2008 21:21 |
Michael Hoddy
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We recently tried one of these as a possible keyboard-top monitor. With pre-recorded music it sounded dreadful. We sent it back.
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Methinks you have some bone to pick with Meyer over something. Certainly, everyone has their preferences about what they like better, but every time Meyer comes up, you chime in with how awful they are.
Given their reputation (not to mention specs or clientele, and completely discounting for a moment what the general consensus in the live sound community is about them), decrying Meyer as "dreadful" and generally unlistenable says much more about you than it does about Meyer.
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Michael Hoddy
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| Re: stage/stair lip speaker options [message #319556 is a reply to message #319490 ] |
Mon, 05 May 2008 03:25 |
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Ales Dravinec 'Alex'
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... I must agree with you, Michael !
Ales Dravinec
R&D manager
EONA ADRaudio
Slovenia
...there's no replacement for displacement...
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| Re: stage/stair lip speaker options [message #321901 is a reply to message #319490 ] |
Sun, 11 May 2008 23:21 |
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Tim Padrick
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| Michael Hoddy wrote on Sun, 04 May 2008 21:21 |
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We recently tried one of these as a possible keyboard-top monitor. With pre-recorded music it sounded dreadful. We sent it back.
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Methinks you have some bone to pick with Meyer over something. Certainly, everyone has their preferences about what they like better, but every time Meyer comes up, you chime in with how awful they are.
Given their reputation (not to mention specs or clientele, and completely discounting for a moment what the general consensus in the live sound community is about them), decrying Meyer as "dreadful" and generally unlistenable says much more about you than it does about Meyer.
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Whenever I have posted a Meyer comment, it has been about a specific product that I have heard. I have never made a generalization about the Meyer line. Specifically the UM1P, UM100P, and something that I thought was being referred to in this thread ("munchkin" - not the MM4, but something more on the order of a powered JF60 size-wise that I can't find on the Meyer site). Those are the only Meyer I have heard, and the only ones about which I have made any comment.
http://www.padrick.net/TP_Audio.htm
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