 RADIANCE HAZER ++++++ [message #320109] |
Tue, 06 May 2008 14:24  |
 Shane Presley
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I just wanted to pass on my 1st experience with this unit. I was doing sound / lights for a dance recital this past weekend. It was basically a hockey rink. I adequately fogged the entire rink for 2 days, and used about a half inch of fluid out of a 2 litre jug of fluid. 100% impressed with this unit, 100% satisfied. If anyone is looking for a hazer, seriously look at this unit, and have no fears about your satifaction. DMX control of output and fan speed...awesome. I'll post pictures when I get home.
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| Re: RADIANCE HAZER ++++++ [message #320250 is a reply to message #320109 ] |
Tue, 06 May 2008 19:44  |
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| Shane Presley wrote on Tue, 06 May 2008 14:24 |
I just wanted to pass on my 1st experience with this unit. I was doing sound / lights for a dance recital this past weekend. It was basically a hockey rink. I adequately fogged the entire rink for 2 days, and used about a half inch of fluid out of a 2 litre jug of fluid. 100% impressed with this unit, 100% satisfied. If anyone is looking for a hazer, seriously look at this unit, and have no fears about your satifaction. DMX control of output and fan speed...awesome. I'll post pictures when I get home.
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Same experience here.
Although some still prefer the "look" of a oil based hazer like the DF50.
The Radiance certainly is easy on fluid.
Make sure you keep up on replacing your gaskets.
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Dan Brown
REACH Communications
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| Re: RADIANCE HAZER ++++++ [message #320496 is a reply to message #320250 ] |
Wed, 07 May 2008 12:18 |
Shane Presley
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Dan - How often do you recomend I do this? I estimate that I'll use the hazer about one show a month...until sept then it'll be every weekend
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| Re: RADIANCE HAZER ++++++ [message #320501 is a reply to message #320496 ] |
Wed, 07 May 2008 12:22 |
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| Shane Presley wrote on Wed, 07 May 2008 12:18 |
Dan - How often do you recomend I do this? I estimate that I'll use the hazer about one show a month...until sept then it'll be every weekend
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Shane,
It depends on if you are doing high output or only like 20%.
If only 20% then LeMaitre says do it more often.
Read your manual.
I have not done it as often as they recomend but if you are using it every weekend then at least a couple times per year.
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Dan Brown
REACH Communications
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| Re: RADIANCE HAZER ++++++ [message #321642 is a reply to message #320109 ] |
Sun, 11 May 2008 09:47 |
Karl P(eterson)
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We are looking at one of these and are curious how you feel the radiance compares to an oil based unit. This is in an install and a water based hazer seems to be preferable over long term build up of oil.
Any comparison for me? Or is the DF-50 still the only way to go?
Karl P
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| Re: RADIANCE HAZER ++++++ [message #321951 is a reply to message #321642 ] |
Mon, 12 May 2008 09:00 |
Shane Presley
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Hey Karl - I haven't used / seen a DF-50 in use, but I've seen other oil hazers... I would compare the radiance to it... oil hangs a bit longer maybe, but again, it was my 1st use of the radiance, so I'm sure some fine tuning is in order... I'm still really happy with it, and there won't be any residue obviously... I am wondering if it will trip particle sensing fire alrams... I'm doing a gig next week that I know a regualr fogger trips the alarm (last years mistake)... I've put in a request this year to see what type of alarm is still in there (heat sensative, or particle sensing. I have pics, I'll post them shortly - it's not a great digital cam, but you get the point...
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| Re: RADIANCE HAZER ++++++ [message #321952 is a reply to message #321951 ] |
Mon, 12 May 2008 09:02 |
Shane Presley
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BTW - this is an ice hockey rink, and I am using one unit basically upstage right - deck is 24 x 48
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| Re: RADIANCE HAZER ++++++ [message #322232 is a reply to message #321952 ] |
Mon, 12 May 2008 23:40 |
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Jack Gunn
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Do you have any shots without the backlighting on? Anything with just beams with no light behind to obscure them?
The first shot looks really smooth for water-based, but the second one I may be seeing some clouding in the upper-right hand portion.
Karl - According to ReelFX, when used properly with the correct fluid, it's not supposed to leave any residue either. I have not personally used a DF-50 for an extensive period of time (like you would for a permanent install) but when I have used it and when I have been to shows that used one no matter where, no matter in what capacity, it is absolutely stunning. Silky smooth, full solid beams, invisible without light cutting through it, evenly disperses without a fan, does not get sucked out by ventilation, not white cloudy but transparent until hit (which is perfect for video recording of the event), entire venue filled regardless of size.
A great anecdote: I went to a concert a few weekends ago in a 20,000 seat arena. While waiting for tickets to be torn, I noticed the entire lobby was full of haze which had spilled out from the venue with each lobby light's beam visible. Entered the venue, full of haze inside everywhere. After the show I walked down to the tech area stage left and there were TWO DF-50's churning away with their little compressors gurrrrrring away. I can only assume there must have been another 2 on stage right. That's just 4 DF-50's which took care of an entire arena and it's lobby. Stunning. I placed an order the next day! (Well, almost... Currently looking for the best deal on a used one 
Like I said, I'm open minded and I hope water-based eventually catches up to oil-based, but from what I've seen, a ReelFX Diffusion DF-50 is the gold standard by which all others are judged and aspire to be.
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| Re: RADIANCE HAZER ++++++ [message #322366 is a reply to message #322232 ] |
Tue, 13 May 2008 12:29 |
len woelfel
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| Jack Gunn wrote on Mon, 12 May 2008 23:40 |
A great anecdote: I went to a concert a few weekends ago in a 20,000 seat arena. While waiting for tickets to be torn, I noticed the entire lobby was full of haze which had spilled out from the venue with each lobby light's beam visible. Entered the venue, full of haze inside everywhere. After the show I walked down to the tech area stage left and there were TWO DF-50's churning away with their little compressors gurrrrrring away. I can only assume there must have been another 2 on stage right. That's just 4 DF-50's which took care of an entire arena and it's lobby. Stunning. I placed an order the next day! (Well, almost... Currently looking for the best deal on a used one
Like I said, I'm open minded and I hope water-based eventually catches up to oil-based, but from what I've seen, a ReelFX Diffusion DF-50 is the gold standard by which all others are judged and aspire to be.
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If that's the case, they were over-using them. The DF-50 is designed to be cycled. Most people I've worked with seem to ignore this warning. The first page of the manual suggests intermittent use only. http://www.reelefx.com/products/df50man.htm
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| Re: RADIANCE HAZER ++++++ [message #322398 is a reply to message #322391 ] |
Tue, 13 May 2008 14:06 |
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Jack Gunn
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| John mowrer wrote on Tue, 13 May 2008 13:49 |
I own a Radiance, and it's phenomenal. I agree that a df-50 looks better, but the Radiance is DMX controllable and kicks butt outdoors!
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When I rented the DF-50, I was initially bummed it DIDN'T have DMX (received older model). But you know what, it actually ended up being much easier because all I did was leave the switch in the on position, and plug it into a pin. Patched that pin to a button on the light board, and viola! Haze at the push of a button.
With the DMX hazers, you have to run 120V constant to it (no pin, or if it is a pin make sure it's never blacked out or otherwise gets shut off somehow by the light board.) After you've run steady power or ensured it will always have steady power by other means, you have to run tons of DMX signal cable to the hazer if it's on the floor away from your flown lighting truss, and then if there's anything else on that DMX chain, another tons of DMX cable off to your next device. Then you have to address the thing with those annoying little dip switches to make sure it doesn't overlap with any of your other intelligent lighting/strobes/effects, etc. and then program your board to use these channels for the hazer.
I like the DF-50 without DMX: Plug it in to a pin, push that pin's button on the board. Done.
Need more haze? Push the button longer. Need less haze? Don't push the button as much. Need fan control? Put a box fan underneath angled up on another pin next to it. 
I understand if you have a "standard" rig setup you go everywhere with DMX may be better since the programming/config/layout never changes, but for different modular setups, I find this the easier approach.
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| Re: RADIANCE HAZER ++++++ [message #322458 is a reply to message #322398 ] |
Tue, 13 May 2008 17:07 |
len woelfel
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I think with everything there's some planning involved. With the Radiance, I like the tour pack, which gives you the machine, a fan, etc., in a road case. Just open the doors. We modified it to include a power supply for both fan and machine, and a dmx whip. Just run the one cable out to the distro convenience outlet and dmx into the splitter. Every time we roll it into the venue, it goes downstage right, right in front of the dimmer racks/distros.
As for addressing, I always build shows thusly:
1 - 48 are always dimmers,
49 - 96 are color mixers, scrollers, etc.
97 - 510 are always moving lights
511-512 are always atmospherics. I have a show template that is always addressed this way, so building shows is a lot faster.
Universe 2 and up are whatever they need to be.
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