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| Re: Questions about building an audio system for a bar/restaurant [message #318282 is a reply to message #318213 ] |
Thu, 01 May 2008 06:25   |
 Brad Weber
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| Gene Hardage wrote on Wed, 30 April 2008 22:02 |
| Robert Taylor wrote on Wed, 30 April 2008 20:39 |
I talked with a pro audio guy, he recommended Turbosound speakers-TXD-081's-4 of them, plus a dual 15" sub box. The Turbosounds are fairly pricey, about $470.00 each and another $900.00 for the sub box. He specified QSC amps, which I have read is a good brand. Problem for me is that this adds up to at least $7500.00 installed, could be $8000.00 when done. If it is worth it, I might spend the money and get it over with. I guess I am wondering if the Turbosounds are worth the $$$ and if I really need 3000+ watts of power for a 1,000 sq foot bar where we won't be playing the music real loud.
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It's not what I would have picked but he's on the right track.
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I have to disagree. Maybe they have specific reasons and solutions, but the equipment choices seem odd for this application. For one thing, why the TXD-081, a Turbosound blue box with a pole mount and carrying handles, when Turbosound offers the TCS-081C version of the same speaker with a black finish, no pole cup, optional 70V/100V transformer, etc. intended specifically for this type of application? And where do you install 4 speakers to get good coverage of a 50'x20' area? In addition, I guess they'd stick with the TXD line for the dual 15" subwoofer, so I assume the TXD-215, but again, there is a TCS-215C version. Where do you put a single sub in a 20'x50' room and get good coverage? The subs have an internal crossover but it is intended to have one full range speaker connected to it, so how are they wiring 1 sub with 4 full range boxes? Add why a dual 15" sub for what sounds like is essentially background music?
I think this shows the importance of considering not just the equipment, but the application of it. There is nothing wrong with the products selected, they just seem an odd choice for the application and the results would be very dependent upon how these products are applied rather than on just the products themselves. You might also want to get details on how they propose to mount the speakers, run cabling, etc. if you care about the look of the installation.
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Back to my previous post - don't forget to deal with the acoustic issues of the room so people can stand to sit there. Nothing worse than a painful room before the music ever starts.
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Agreed, but with a 20'x50'x12' dining space with a tin ceiling and hardwood floors, you may be limited on what can be done. Ceiling treatments are pretty much out due to the ceiling unless you have the tin panels perforated and put fiberglass or similar behind them, something I have done. Floor treatments are going to be difficult to use. You may be able to treat some of the wall surfaces but it sounds like it is more of a bar than restaurant at night and between sanitary and durability concerns treatments like the typical fabric wrapped panels may not be acceptable. I agree to do what you can but it sounds like there will definitely be some considerations that limit what is possible, at least for a reasonable cost, and you may have to look to some non-traditional or even industrial materials.
Brad Weber
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| Re: Questions about building an audio system for a bar/restaurant [message #318299 is a reply to message #318282 ] |
Thu, 01 May 2008 07:46 |
Robert Taylor
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Brad,
You bring up some of the concerns that I had, about using 4 speakers for coverage of a long room as well as using one big sub. When it's cranked up, it might not matter, but when the music is lower during the day, if you are near a speaker, it will have to be louder than if you are far away. I am going to meet with another pro sound guy, I am going to bring up these ideas with him, along with the acoustics of the room. Thanks to you guys, I am likely to skip the DIY idea and have someone install the equipment. I'll also being increasing the budget for the sound system, My partner had budgeted $7000 for 3 flat screen TV's, it looks like we can get those for a little less, that will free up some $$$, I'll find some more $$$ somewhere else in the budget to put to the audio.
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| Re: Questions about building an audio system for a bar/restaurant [message #318317 is a reply to message #318299 ] |
Thu, 01 May 2008 08:40 |
Dick Rees
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Just a "bump" on my earlier post recommending a "business" system from a major manufacturer such as JBL. While hard to find when navigating the products tabs on the mfg websites, there are some fine systems with properly integrated components which I think might fit your needs. Among the design parameters are:
low profile/good visual
ease of mounting/positioning/angling
smooth, even coverage over the required area
A competent commercial install outfit should know about these. It's worth asking. I agree that the 4 larger speakers are not the best application of the components for you business.
Neo-Luddite, Rocket Surgeon
"The bum sat on the boxcar, his feet were on the ground"......Longfellow
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| Re: Questions about building an audio system for a bar/restaurant [message #318328 is a reply to message #318299 ] |
Thu, 01 May 2008 09:17 |
Brad Weber
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| Robert Taylor wrote on Thu, 01 May 2008 08:46 |
I am going to meet with another pro sound guy, I am going to bring up these ideas with him, along with the acoustics of the room.
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Of course the definition of "pro sound guy" could factor in as well. That could be someone well versed in concert sound or rental & staging or clubs but with little experience with your type of application. I could be totally wrong but that's sort of the impression I got from the last equipment list, someone who may very well be a pro but that perhaps doesn't work a lot with restaurant type projects.
Brad Weber
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| Re: Questions about building an audio system for a bar/restaurant [message #321602 is a reply to message #318328 ] |
Sat, 10 May 2008 22:53 |
Robert Taylor
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I met with another person, who was recommended for the job. He seemed to make more sense to me. First off, instead of using just a mixer or a mixer and eq, he thinks a dbx zone pro 640 (I think that was the model #) would be a good idea, that would act as the source selector as well as offering a bunch of different ways for him to tune the system. For speakers, he mentioned the JBL Control 29 AV along with the Control SB210 sub boxes. He would power this with 2 Crown XLS 802 amps. The cost would be around $7000, which is more than I wanted to spend, but if it's worth it, I'll go for it. He also said he could offer other types of speakers, he's not married to the JBL's, but that he's had real good luck with the JBL Controls and that the 29AV's along with the SB210 subs give great sound for the $$$.
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| Re: Questions about building an audio system for a bar/restaurant [message #321622 is a reply to message #321602 ] |
Sun, 11 May 2008 07:15 |
Brad Weber
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Sounds like you found someone who understands the application and with whom you feel more comfortable. Hope it all goes well!
Brad Weber
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