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| Re: Review: BOSE personal amplification system [message #319103 is a reply to message #319098 ] |
Sat, 03 May 2008 13:29   |
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Peter Etheredge
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| Tyler Riddle wrote on Sat, 03 May 2008 13:11 |
ok, bad installs and bad tunings equal bad sound.
I just recently got turned onto bose and clarity is of number one importance.
And just so you know, we consistently undercut the competition. Our markup is only 20% Yes there are jerks out there, but our company isn't one of them.
If you are in the area sometime you should check out some of our installs, or go to
http://www.buzstarrett.com to see some pictures.
We haven't had an install top 30 grand for everything yet (including a yamaha digital board).
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So wait, do you guys like automatically use Bose for every install you do? That's not right for any company to do with any brand. Sure you can have a preference, but that does not mean that there are times when something else may be more appropriate.
And under $30,000 doesn't mean anything when a job could be done BETTER for $20,000. - with a Yamaha digital board.
Finally, and yet another reason I dislike Bose, is because their dealers are not supposed be to allowed to undercut the pricing of one another - in fact if they found out that you guys were charging less than a certain amount they could refuse to sell to you anymore; that's part of how they keep up their "image".
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| Re: Review: BOSE personal amplification system [message #319109 is a reply to message #319103 ] |
Sat, 03 May 2008 14:01 |
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bose has lots of different solutions for different rooms. Yes, he deals bose, so he uses bose. There isn't anything wrong with that. If the client wants something else, then they can go to a dealer that deals whatever they want.
Bose made cuts and now He is also the only contractor in San Bernardino and riverside counties.
There is no minimum price on bose speakers.
All I was saying is that even our biggest jobs haven't topped 30 grand.
Hearing is believing my friend and I'm a believer, I wasn't, but now I am. When things are done right, they sound wonderful.
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| Re: Review: BOSE personal amplification system [message #319110 is a reply to message #319103 ] |
Sat, 03 May 2008 14:04 |
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also, another thing, I'm not dissing on other speakers, I do have my preferences, but I think a lot of companies make a lot of good products.
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| Re: Review: BOSE personal amplification system [message #319249 is a reply to message #319109 ] |
Sun, 04 May 2008 01:29 |
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Andy Peters
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| Tyler Riddle wrote on Sat, 03 May 2008 12:01 |
All I was saying is that even our biggest jobs haven't topped 30 grand.
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Then you're not very big. 30 large will about do a 250-peeps club: two EAW MK boxes per side for tops, two FR250z subs clustered in the center, Lab Gruppen power, Ashly Protea for processing, A+H GL2400-24 mixer.
Monitors, mics, stands, cables, insertables were all kept from the previous install.
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"Only when you use a lot to say a little," answered Tock.
"On the Internet, nobody can hear you mix a band."
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| Re: Review: BOSE personal amplification system [message #319257 is a reply to message #319224 ] |
Sun, 04 May 2008 02:49 |
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You know, the way he does business is his way, He is honest and supportive, and he still gets slews of recommendations because of it
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| Re: Review: BOSE personal amplification system [message #321161 is a reply to message #321096 ] |
Fri, 09 May 2008 10:04 |
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 Robert Lunceford
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| sndguy (Joel Ashcraft) wrote on Fri, 09 May 2008 06:17 |
Doesn't BOSE stand for Bring Other Sound Equipment?
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No, Bose is the sir name of the founder of the company.
Amar Gopal Bose (November 02, 1929 - )
A pioneer in modern acoustics, Dr. Amar Bose is Founder, Chairman and Technical Director of the internationally-recognized audio company that bears his name.
Raised just outside Philadelphia, Bose began his career at the age of 13, repairing radios in his basement during WWII. His passion for technology continued at MIT, where he earned Bachelor, Master and Doctoral degrees in Electrical Engineering. In 1956, Bose was asked to join the faculty at MIT, where he taught until 2001.
His research at MIT led to the development of new, patented technologies. With those patents, he founded Bose Corporation in 1964. He has achieved worldwide acclaim with the introduction of groundbreaking products, including the 901® Direct/Reflecting speaker system, customized sound systems for automobiles, and active noise-reducing headphones. Under his leadership, 100 percent of profits are reinvested back into the company, enabling advancements in non-audio areas. In 2004, after 25 years of research, he introduced a revolutionary suspension system that combines superior comfort and control in the same vehicle.
Bose has done extensive work for the Armed Forces and NASA. He was named Inventor of the Year in 1987 by the Intellectual Property Owners Association and holds numerous patents in the fields of acoustics, electronics, nonlinear systems, and communication theory.
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| Re: Review: BOSE personal amplification system [message #321179 is a reply to message #321161 ] |
Fri, 09 May 2008 11:09 |
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John Roberts {JR}
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| Robert Lunceford wrote on Fri, 09 May 2008 10:04 |
No, Bose is the sir name of the founder of the company.
Amar Gopal Bose (November 02, 1929 - )
A pioneer in modern acoustics, Dr. Amar Bose is Founder, Chairman and Technical Director of the internationally-recognized audio company that bears his name.
Raised just outside Philadelphia, Bose began his career at the age of 13, repairing radios in his basement during WWII. His passion for technology continued at MIT, where he earned Bachelor, Master and Doctoral degrees in Electrical Engineering. In 1956, Bose was asked to join the faculty at MIT, where he taught until 2001.
His research at MIT led to the development of new, patented technologies. With those patents, he founded Bose Corporation in 1964. He has achieved worldwide acclaim with the introduction of groundbreaking products, including the 901® Direct/Reflecting speaker system, customized sound systems for automobiles, and active noise-reducing headphones. Under his leadership, 100 percent of profits are reinvested back into the company, enabling advancements in non-audio areas. In 2004, after 25 years of research, he introduced a revolutionary suspension system that combines superior comfort and control in the same vehicle.
Bose has done extensive work for the Armed Forces and NASA. He was named Inventor of the Year in 1987 by the Intellectual Property Owners Association and holds numerous patents in the fields of acoustics, electronics, nonlinear systems, and communication theory.
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There are several alternate definitions for B.O.S.E. that are as well known as Amar's reputation as a MIT prof, inventor, etc. I believe the enmity between sound professionals and Bose corp is caused by the hyperbolic marketing of the products which leads many to have unrealistic expectations for the technology. Some of that hyperbole is evident in the text of that bio which was no doubt handed down from the same mountain top.
Lots of good engineering just maybe not as good as the marketing. I was interested in his early work with the 22 (?) driver octet of a sphere attempting to simulate a point source when mounted in corner. I suspect this was one of those GOP (good on paper) ideas. The success of the 901 was IMO more because of the active EQ with multiple choice, "more things to more people" selector switch. It was solid human factors engineering to focus on frequency response of energy into the room, finessing the on axis/off axis response issues of typical loudspeakers, but the predominantly (89%) diffuse sound source arguably has merit mainly for orchestral classical playback, and there's not complete agreement on that.
JR
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| Re: Review: BOSE personal amplification system [message #321209 is a reply to message #321161 ] |
Fri, 09 May 2008 12:20 |
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| Robert Lunceford wrote on Fri, 09 May 2008 10:04 |
He was named Inventor of the Year in 1987 by the Intellectual Property Owners Association and holds numerous patents in the fields of acoustics, electronics, nonlinear systems, and communication theory.
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That would be most of his audio reproduction systems? 
My issue with Bose is that for every claimed "proprietary technology" I easily can think of prior examples. And probably those weren't the original art, just obvious examples that I know about. I've never bothered to delve into their patents, but I suspect at the very least they are "improvement" patents, or at worst on very shaky ground. The huge marketing machine they've built gives them the financial resouces to force these patents in spite of their tenuous technical merit.
The second issue is the implementation of these "technologies". KEF came out with a bandpass enclosure in an attempt to gain extended response. Bose then put the principal in a plastic table radio with a high Q so that it faked the impression of bass and sold the ingnorant public that it was some secret proprietary magic. Every "technology" that Bose has brought to the mass market, from "cylinderical wavefront line arrays" to noise canceling headphones, has been such a cut down and cheapened version of established technology that it would probably embarass the offshore copycats who directly counterfeit the higher end implementations.
I really lost it with Bose when they attacked Thiel (a small audiophile speaker manufacturer) for useing the decimal model numbering system. e.g. 3.0, 3.2, 4.5 ect... At the time Bose had just recently begun using this marketing concept that had been successfully used for years by BMW, and thus had a sort of higher end cachet to it. That they felt such a blatent marketing rip off should be exclusively theirs, and that a fringe company who posed no threat to their target market should be enjoined from doing this as well (even though said company had been doing it before them and doing it since the outset of their company) just tourqued my squirel past the breaking point. Maybe it was because Thiel actually sold product with serious engineering into the fringe audiophile market that Bose would like the general public to believe that they own. The primary thrust to Bose's marketing scheme is to convince people who don't know any better, that the folks who are experts in the field, use their stuff. Nothing could be further from the truth.
For instance, as JR points out, the 901's best presentation was for large scale classical music. But the underground audiophiles who Bose would like the general public to belive were all over the 901's hated them. No imaging at all. They were already using "direct-reflecting" speakers. Primarilly dipoles like the Quad electrostatic from the 50's, updates like Sound Labs, and electrodynamic dipoles like Magnapans. Most Bose customers have no idea who these companies are, or what their speakers sound like.
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| Re: Review: BOSE personal amplification system [message #321267 is a reply to message #321209 ] |
Fri, 09 May 2008 14:59 |
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I think Bose should make a smaller model.....about 12" long and call it the "Personal Gratification System". 
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| Re: Review: BOSE personal amplification system [message #321291 is a reply to message #321161 ] |
Fri, 09 May 2008 16:44 |
Tom Young
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what flavor is the Koolaid ?
Tom Young
Electroacoustic Design Services
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Tel: 203.888.6217
Email: dbspl@earthlink.net
www.dbspl.com
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| Re: Review: BOSE personal amplification system [message #321292 is a reply to message #321281 ] |
Fri, 09 May 2008 16:48 |
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I keep telling everyone, I'm not a Bose Dealer, I get NOTHING from Bose, I just happen to install a lot of Bose Products and am trying to be helpful. So please, once and for all, get off my back.
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| Re: Review: BOSE personal amplification system [message #321305 is a reply to message #321292 ] |
Fri, 09 May 2008 17:43 |
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John Roberts {JR}
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| Tyler Riddle wrote on Fri, 09 May 2008 16:48 |
I keep telling everyone, I'm not a Bose Dealer, I get NOTHING from Bose, I just happen to install a lot of Bose Products and am trying to be helpful. So please, once and for all, get off my back.
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Sorry on the internet you can only control what you say and do, not others.
EDIT: My comments below were in response to the CV posted by Mr. Lunceford /EDIT
My apology, I thought you copied that bio from the Bose website but instead it came from http://www.invent.org/2008induction/1_3_08_induction_bose.as p except for that part where you misspelled "surname".
That bio doesn't mention he's a billionaire... He has done well indeed.
JR
PS: That bio was probably still written by a company suit.
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