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| Re: Dont tour with EWI cases... [message #323277 is a reply to message #322818 ] |
Thu, 15 May 2008 21:53   |
 W. Mark Hellinger
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| Evan Kirkendall wrote on Wed, 14 May 2008 13:15 |
After countless good things to say about EWI cases, finally, a failure that was quite disappointing...
I took my mic box out on tour with ATL for 8 weeks. It lived in the back of the trailer on top of all the cases. It was in a rather safe position and didnt have anything on top of it.
Well, after being dropped once and someone stepping on it, the case was completely destroyed...
One guy stepped on top of it to get up to the stage and did this damage:
Evan
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Evan:
Your report is distressful to me.
I'll be the first to admit, the EWI mic cases are not dirty rotten tough. I'm of the impression that dirty rotten tough is generally heavy and expensive... and again, I'll be the first to admit that the EWI mic cases are neither... by design. I've reviewed your purchasing history and I'm coming up blank on mic cases. Is it possible you bought the mic case used? Regardless of the providence of the EWI mic case you have which failed miserably in the line of duty... after reading your post today... I piled up 3ea. MO24 mic cases and used them for a step ladder without incident (one is my main mic case, one is my lighting gel case, and one is a gak case)... I'm 210 lbs. My impression after that excercise is that to generate a failure of the case like the type that you've posted pictures of, I'll suggest that a regular sized person more than "stepped" on that case... but I dunno what constitutes a "step"?
Regardless of all of that: If you believe that the product was defective or not suitably represented, I'll replace it or refund your purchase price at my descretion.
Respectfully,
W. Mark Hellinger
President
Audiopile
[Updated on: Thu, 15 May 2008 21:57]
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| Re: Dont tour with EWI cases... [message #323280 is a reply to message #323277 ] |
Thu, 15 May 2008 22:05 |
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Evan Kirkendall
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Registered: November 2004
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| W. Mark Hellinger wrote on Thu, 15 May 2008 22:53 |
| Evan Kirkendall wrote on Wed, 14 May 2008 13:15 |
After countless good things to say about EWI cases, finally, a failure that was quite disappointing...
I took my mic box out on tour with ATL for 8 weeks. It lived in the back of the trailer on top of all the cases. It was in a rather safe position and didnt have anything on top of it.
Well, after being dropped once and someone stepping on it, the case was completely destroyed...
One guy stepped on top of it to get up to the stage and did this damage:
Evan
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Evan:
Your report is distressful to me.
I'll be the first to admit, the EWI mic cases are not dirty rotten tough. I'm of the impression that dirty rotten tough is generally heavy and expensive... and again, I'll be the first to admit that the EWI mic cases are neither... by design. I've reviewed your purchasing history and I'm coming up blank on mic cases. Is it possible you bought the mic case used? Regardless of the providence of the EWI mic case you have which failed miserably in the line of duty... after reading your post today... I piled up 3ea. MO24 mic cases and used them for a step ladder without incident (one is my main mic case, one is my lighting gel case, and one is a gak case)... I'm 210 lbs. My impression after that excercise is that to generate a failure of the case like the type that you've posted pictures of, I'll suggest that a regular sized person more than "stepped" on that case... but I dunno what constitutes a "step"?
Regardless of all of that: If you believe that the product was defective or not suitably represented, I'll replace it or refund your purchase price at my descretion.
Respectfully,
W. Mark Hellinger
President
Audiopile
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Hi Mark,
I bought the case on ebay through your ebay store. I didnt see the failure happen, just the aftermath when the guy who did it told me. I dont know how hard he "stepped" on it, but I was surprised to see that the case had failed so bad.
Im more then willing to just buy a new one. Shit happens, I just wanted to point out the failure to the LAB. I'll be purchasing plenty more products from you in the future. 
Thanks,
Evan
HarfordSound
ATL Tour Blog
"No, It's not too loud. You're just too old."
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| Re: Dont tour with EWI cases... [message #323282 is a reply to message #323277 ] |
Thu, 15 May 2008 22:07 |
Steve kneprath
Messages: 48
Registered: September 2007
Location: Willmar, MN |
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+1 for EWI and Mark. That is why I think they are one of the most professional case builders out there... with Integrity and great customer service.
[Updated on: Thu, 15 May 2008 22:09]
Steve Kneprath
Owner - KPS Media
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| Re: Dont tour with EWI cases... [message #323287 is a reply to message #323280 ] |
Thu, 15 May 2008 22:16 |
W. Mark Hellinger
Messages: 380
Registered: April 2004
Location: Farmington, Washington US... |
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| Evan Kirkendall wrote on Thu, 15 May 2008 20:05 |
| W. Mark Hellinger wrote on Thu, 15 May 2008 22:53 |
| Evan Kirkendall wrote on Wed, 14 May 2008 13:15 |
After countless good things to say about EWI cases, finally, a failure that was quite disappointing...
I took my mic box out on tour with ATL for 8 weeks. It lived in the back of the trailer on top of all the cases. It was in a rather safe position and didnt have anything on top of it.
Well, after being dropped once and someone stepping on it, the case was completely destroyed...
One guy stepped on top of it to get up to the stage and did this damage:
Evan
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Evan:
Your report is distressful to me.
I'll be the first to admit, the EWI mic cases are not dirty rotten tough. I'm of the impression that dirty rotten tough is generally heavy and expensive... and again, I'll be the first to admit that the EWI mic cases are neither... by design. I've reviewed your purchasing history and I'm coming up blank on mic cases. Is it possible you bought the mic case used? Regardless of the providence of the EWI mic case you have which failed miserably in the line of duty... after reading your post today... I piled up 3ea. MO24 mic cases and used them for a step ladder without incident (one is my main mic case, one is my lighting gel case, and one is a gak case)... I'm 210 lbs. My impression after that excercise is that to generate a failure of the case like the type that you've posted pictures of, I'll suggest that a regular sized person more than "stepped" on that case... but I dunno what constitutes a "step"?
Regardless of all of that: If you believe that the product was defective or not suitably represented, I'll replace it or refund your purchase price at my descretion.
Respectfully,
W. Mark Hellinger
President
Audiopile
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Hi Mark,
I bought the case on ebay through your ebay store. I didnt see the failure happen, just the aftermath when the guy who did it told me. I dont know how hard he "stepped" on it, but I was surprised to see that the case had failed so bad.
Im more then willing to just buy a new one. Shit happens, I just wanted to point out the failure to the LAB. I'll be purchasing plenty more products from you in the future.
Thanks,
Evan
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Evan: If you like, I'll destruction test the same model case as your failed case... and report my findings on exactly what sort of "step" was involved to cause that sort of failure... because I'm as curious as I suspect you are.
If I'm reincarnated as something else... I want to come back as a destruction testing tester-outer... or my cat. Either one would be fine.
You know... come to think of it... I want to be reincarnated as myself... 'cause I love this stuff... the good, the bad, and the in-between.
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| Re: Dont tour with EWI cases... [message #323290 is a reply to message #323287 ] |
Thu, 15 May 2008 22:28 |
Stuart Pendleton
Messages: 394
Registered: April 2004 |
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Mark, you are a class act. I suspect that your willingness to respond like you have here generates much more $$ in sales than it will/could cost you. And that's the way it should be. I ALWAYS check Audiopile first for everything I buy, and only go elsewhere when you don't sell what I need. Satisfied customer here.
I am the luckiest man in the world because I'm married to the most wonderful woman in the world!!
This should have been my company's slogan:
"More bars in more places." AT&T
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| Re: Dont tour with EWI cases... [message #323300 is a reply to message #323290 ] |
Thu, 15 May 2008 23:58 |
Tom Manchester
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Registered: December 2004 |
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I too will agree that I thought the mic MO-24 from EWI was a little lighter duty then all of the other cases I have from EWI, however the hardware is great. I only found the wood and aluminum trim to be a little on the thin side.
That being said, my EWI mic case rides in the back of a dodge dakota wedged in wherever there is remaining space, and is one of the oldest EWI products I own, probably about 2 years old, and goes out almost every weekend. Aside from a few scrapes and dings it's still in great condition. I have used it as a ladder several times, a seat at FOH, it's been rained on, dropped, and sat in the hot sun for hours bit it's still going fine.
Having seen the "Energy" that is involved in a show such as that which Evan's group puts on I would not be surprised if the case was used as more of a trampoline then a step. And naturally if the culprit was a bit rough with it he's not going to say "Hey I did a backflip off your case and it broke." I'd reason to believe that it was more along the lines of "Oh man, I don't know what happened, I just used it as a step to get on stage."
As for the wear and tear, the cracks and dings look like every other former Clair / Showco / AES case I have kicking around. It's the nature of the game. Heck even true "ATA" cases are only rated to survive something like 100 airplane trips.
My advice? Your mic kit is your life. Take better care of it.
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| Great EWI cases... [message #323525 is a reply to message #323509 ] |
Fri, 16 May 2008 17:10 |
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Tony "T" Tissot
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| RYAN LOUDMUSIC JENKINS wrote on Fri, 16 May 2008 14:19 |
Audiopile is quite different! They are my favorite vender!
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Agree 100%
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| Re: Dont tour with EWI cases... [message #323556 is a reply to message #323528 ] |
Fri, 16 May 2008 19:33 |
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Evan Kirkendall
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| W. Mark Hellinger wrote on Fri, 16 May 2008 18:28 |
| Evan Kirkendall wrote on Thu, 15 May 2008 20:20 |
| W. Mark Hellinger wrote on Thu, 15 May 2008 23:16 |
Evan: If you like, I'll destruction test the same model case as your failed case... and report my findings on exactly what sort of "step" was involved to cause that sort of failure... because I'm as curious as I suspect you are.
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That would cool. I love smashing stuff too. It will be nice to see just how much the case takes before it breaks.
Evan
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Ok, I set up a test and have generated some results. The test was somewhat crude, but I believe it was effective. It is not the intent of the test to suggest creative uses for the MO24 case, but was simply a static load crush test. For those with inquiring minds, here's the test:
http://www.audiopile.net/Technical_Library/M024_STRESS_TEST_ MAY_2008/ewi_model_mo24_mic_case_crush_te.htm
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Hi Mark,
Thanks for the test and results! Now that the bottom is smashed, can you test how much it takes to penetrate the top lid? Just use that 4x4 post straight onto the top wood in the middle and see what happens.
Thanks!
Evan
HarfordSound
ATL Tour Blog
"No, It's not too loud. You're just too old."
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| Re: Dont tour with EWI cases... [message #323572 is a reply to message #323556 ] |
Fri, 16 May 2008 21:10 |
W. Mark Hellinger
Messages: 380
Registered: April 2004
Location: Farmington, Washington US... |
Has No Life |
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| Evan Kirkendall wrote on Fri, 16 May 2008 17:33 |
Hi Mark,
Thanks for the test and results! Now that the bottom is smashed,
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The bottom of the test case is not smashed, it has one broken rivet on one ball corner. That test case is the case I've been using for a few years to house my FOH patch snakes. Even without fixing the broken ball corner rivet, the case is still completely viable to return to duty.
| Evan Kirkendall wrote on Fri, 16 May 2008 17:33 |
can you test how much it takes to penetrate the top lid? Just use that 4x4 post straight onto the top wood in the middle and see what happens.
Thanks!
Evan
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I see no point in that excercise at this time. The actual crush force that broke the rivet in the bottom of the case was 1480 lbs. The 1307 lbs. reported crush force was the resting weight after the rivet popped. Point is: 1480 lbs. crush force didn't smash the rubber feet through the bottom of the case. It seems to me that somewhat less than 1480 lbs. of crush resistance is reasonable to expect out of a $75 mic case that made out of 1/4" plywood panels and weighs 13.2 lbs. I don't know what it takes to shove the rubber feet through the bottom panel of that case, but there's no doubt in my mind that if an MO24 case was subjected to an event that shoved the rubber feet through the bottom panel of the case, it's highly likely there would be other ancellary damage to the case.
FWIW: We've speculated in the shop today what it might take to shove the rubber feet through the bottom of an MO24 case by "stepping" on it... obviously 1480 lbs. isn't enough. I (all 210 lbs. of me) jumped off a 30" high step-ladder onto a platform scale (5 times) and the highest impact weight I could record was 460 lbs... approximately 1000 lbs. less than what I've proven to myself it takes to break a rivet in the bottom of an MO24 case. We're trying to imagine what sort of "step" was involved to shove the rubber feet through the bottom of your case... little help?
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| Re: Dont tour with EWI cases... [message #323574 is a reply to message #323572 ] |
Fri, 16 May 2008 21:14 |
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I'm thinking that the crew member who used it as a step should switch to light beer.
Philip LaDue
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"The loudspeaker has more of an effect on the sound we hear than anything else in the audio reproduction chain"- Alan Frank
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