| Waterproof and weatherproof speakers. [message #309819] |
Sun, 06 April 2008 13:55  |
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 Kevin Maxwell AKA TheMAXX
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Waterproof and weatherproof speakers.
This is for a permanent outdoor installation. I am looking for people with experience with waterproof and weatherproof speakers. I have seen the Technomad speakers at AES and they had a waterfall running over the speaker. They look like they might be one of the best if not the best water and weather proof speakers out there. I have seen a lot of speakers outdoors that have been destroyed by the elements and infested with insects. Has anyone used the Technomad boxes or do you have any other recommendations.
Kevin Maxwell
Freelance Audio Eng. QBE
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| Re: Waterproof and weatherproof speakers. [message #309839 is a reply to message #309820 ] |
Sun, 06 April 2008 14:49  |
Don Boone
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We have installed a couple of the Community's with no problems. The miniature golf course near the office has had JBL Control 28s mounted on light poles for at least 6-8 years. When ever I drive by with the windows down I hear music so it must work for them.
Quite a few manufacturers have 'All Weather' speakers.
Don
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| Re: Waterproof and weatherproof speakers. [message #309907 is a reply to message #309819 ] |
Sun, 06 April 2008 19:42 |
Scott Hibbard
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Kevin,
I didn't notice what the application is your looking to fill? But regardless, I've done several outdoor installations with Techno's and Community R's. I use the Techno's for smaller fill and nearfield installs and they've held up extremely well.
I spec Communtity R's for longer throw work (200+ feet). Two years ago I installed a pair of R's and at the end of the second year I removed the grill to have a look inside - they looked like the day I put them up (and it's exposed to direct rain, sun etc.) 365 days a year. No water, no mildew, no algae, no bugs, no nothin'.
Is 2 years long?? Well it's long enough to eat lesser speakers alive, but the real test will come when they are 5-7 years old. However, I am 100% confident they will sound and look the same. Speaking of sound...they R's are nothing short of amazing.
One thing I've always avoided is installing plywood cabinets outdoors, even if they are "weather-proofed" by the manufacturer. Mositure is inevitable and will ultimately split the plywood once it gets in. Poly and 100% fiberglass cabinets seem to hold up very nicely.
If you want more info, let me know.
ScottH
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| Re: Waterproof and weatherproof speakers. [message #309947 is a reply to message #309907 ] |
Sun, 06 April 2008 22:02 |
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Kevin Maxwell AKA TheMAXX
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| Scott Hibbard wrote on Sun, 06 April 2008 20:42 |
Kevin,
I didn't notice what the application is your looking to fill? But regardless, I've done several outdoor installations with Techno's and Community R's. I use the Techno's for smaller fill and nearfield installs and they've held up extremely well.
I spec Communtity R's for longer throw work (200+ feet). Two years ago I installed a pair of R's and at the end of the second year I removed the grill to have a look inside - they looked like the day I put them up (and it's exposed to direct rain, sun etc.) 365 days a year. No water, no mildew, no algae, no bugs, no nothin'.
Is 2 years long?? Well it's long enough to eat lesser speakers alive, but the real test will come when they are 5-7 years old. However, I am 100% confident they will sound and look the same. Speaking of sound...they R's are nothing short of amazing.
One thing I've always avoided is installing plywood cabinets outdoors, even if they are "weather-proofed" by the manufacturer. Mositure is inevitable and will ultimately split the plywood once it gets in. Poly and 100% fiberglass cabinets seem to hold up very nicely.
If you want more info, let me know.
ScottH
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Application? Actually all I know at the moment is outdoors. I have a meeting tomorrow after which I will probably be able to say even less after the project is laid out for me. NDA to be signed then.
Does anyone here know who makes the mushroom speakers. I have seen a lot of them around some of the WDW resorts that I have worked.
Kevin Maxwell
Freelance Audio Eng. QBE
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| Re: Waterproof and weatherproof speakers. [message #309955 is a reply to message #309947 ] |
Sun, 06 April 2008 22:31 |
Brad Weber
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Kevin,
I understand your situation, but you've gone from Technomad boxes to in-ground 'mushrooms', could it even turn out that paging horns might be appropriate? An NDA or CDA may prevent you from discussing the particulars of the project but I don't think it will prevent you from addressing products or applications in general. Asking something like "who offers this type of speaker" or "who makes a weatherproof speaker with the following characteristics" is probably not going to violate a NDA. So maybe you can provide some more information without tying it to any specific project or use.
As far as commercial 'mushroom' speakers, I know of Atlas Sound, Bose, OWI, Rockustics, Soundtube and TIC.
Brad Weber
muse Audio Video
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| Re: Waterproof and weatherproof speakers. [message #309962 is a reply to message #309955 ] |
Sun, 06 April 2008 22:49 |
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Kevin Maxwell AKA TheMAXX
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| Brad Weber wrote on Sun, 06 April 2008 23:31 |
Kevin,
I understand your situation, but you've gone from Technomad boxes to in-ground 'mushrooms', could it even turn out that paging horns might be appropriate? An NDA or CDA may prevent you from discussing the particulars of the project but I don't think it will prevent you from addressing products or applications in general. Asking something like "who offers this type of speaker" or "who makes a weatherproof speaker with the following characteristics" is probably not going to violate a NDA. So maybe you can provide some more information without tying it to any specific project or use.
As far as commercial 'mushroom' speakers, I know of Atlas Sound, Bose, OWI, Rockustics, Soundtube and TIC.
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Well at the moment I really have no idea what will be needed. Indoors and outdoors systems have been mentioned. I just helped at a job (tuning) where there were some indoor systems and some outdoor systems. And lets just put it this way; I was surprised at the selections. And I probably shouldn’t say anything more about that one either.
I am just looking to further my knowledge of what is out there.
Kevin Maxwell
Freelance Audio Eng. QBE
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| Re: Waterproof and weatherproof speakers. [message #309963 is a reply to message #309962 ] |
Sun, 06 April 2008 22:58 |
Brad Weber
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'Weatherproof' can also have different meanings. I worked on a project many years ago for an Air Force facility in Kuwait (long enough ago that it was apparently about the only military facility left standing after the Iraqi invasion) that included a parade ground. Their criteria for 'weatherproof' had nothing to do with water resistance but rather was being able to withstand a sand storm that "took the paint off cars".
Brad Weber
muse Audio Video
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| Re: Waterproof and weatherproof speakers. [message #310469 is a reply to message #310017 ] |
Tue, 08 April 2008 14:53 |
Al Clayton
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Give this a look:
http://www.onesystems.com/
Some interesting stuff made specifically for outdoor applications. I had the sales rep here a few weeks ago and was impressed with their sound. Quality appeared to be top notch. I'm starting to spec them.
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