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| Re: Evan vs. the Growlers, round 1 [message #270069 is a reply to message #270040 ] |
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| Adam Whetham wrote on Thu, 06 December 2007 21:23 |
I only wish i could use that song more often to kick some bass out... great album also  That sub synth on that track is stupid nuts.
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Well the new Avenged Sevenfold album is susposed to have some Deep 808 sounds that where added by a HipHop producer. I have yet played the CD on something bigger than the $15 desktop speakers.
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I have my own domain name now: www.mattvivslivesound.com
I'm located in Southern MD.
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| Re: Evan vs. the Growlers, round 1 [message #270732 is a reply to message #269927 ] |
Sun, 09 December 2007 14:26 |
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Evan Kirkendall
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2 gigs down, 1 more to go. Ill write a longer review later, but for now I will just highlight some stuff from each night.
Friday night:
Small church hall, 300 cap, about 90 showed up. 5 bands. Room is very LIVE and it gets LOUD in there. During sound check the bass was not there. I was very disappointed. Then of course, I noticed that only one sub was on.... Forgot to twist the speakon in all the way. Bass came to life. Up front, they remind me of mini EAW SB1000z's. They go very low and hit pretty hard, up front. In the back of the room the bass was average at best. I was driving the piss out of the PL6.0 to get enough thump. I was into the limiters all night trying to get them to keep up with the SLS920s, who were barely hitting -20. I was around 103-106dBA @ FOH.
Saturday night:
Grange hall, 300 cap, about 200 showed up. 5 bands. Room was dead and sounded pretty good. My problem tonight was the subs walking around. They would not stay in place. I had to ratchet strap them together and strap them to the amp rack. They need rubber feet so they wont slide around as much. Again, I was hammering the PL6.0 trying to keep up. I was a little quieter, only around 100dBA. The subs do sound good, but I need 4 to keep up with 2 SLS920's.
Also another thing that is bothering me is the plastic corners. THEY SUCK. All of them are already cracked and they do not hold up well. I highly suggest metal corners instead.
So to sum it up:
Pros:
-Deep response
-Hit good up front
-LIGHT!
-Easy for one person to move
Cons:
-Cant keep up with SLS920's
-Lack a lot of output(still kick good for their size)
-Corners crack
-Slide around when you crank them
More later...
Evan
HarfordSound
ATL Tour Blog
"No, It's not too loud. You're just too old."
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| Re: Evan vs. the Growlers, round 1 [message #270822 is a reply to message #270751 ] |
Sun, 09 December 2007 21:17 |
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I agree, you needed two per side to run that gig. The Growlers couple very well. We just ran two under a SLS 960 per side. I increased the gain on the subs from +2 to +4. This is compared to running JBL 4733's on top. The Growlers performed very well. Running PLX 3402's to them. I've only ran one Growler per side once. I was a very small room and a nasty load in. Was not happy with the output. Of course, I'm use to running two or four per side.
I have to keep my day job to pay for this one.
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| Re: Evan vs. the Growlers, round 1 [message #270833 is a reply to message #270732 ] |
Sun, 09 December 2007 21:47 |
 Kent Clasen
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| Evan Kirkendall wrote on Sun, 09 December 2007 20:26 |
I was into the limiters all night trying to get them to keep up with the SLS920s, who were barely hitting -20. I was around 103-106dBA @ FOH.
Again, I was hammering the PL6.0 trying to keep up. I was a little quieter, only around 100dBA. The subs do sound good, but I need 4 to keep up with 2 SLS920's.
Evan
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Evan, I have used the Growlers and thought they were quite efficient (though obviously not as efficient as most mid/hi boxes) and sounded very good, though I am a dealer for them.
Given the levels you state above "106dBa @ FOH", you don't mention the distance to FOH, so I will assume an easy distance of 100'.
The Growlers are around 100db/1w/1m, so you mention a PL6.0, were you running it in stereo mode? If so, you are around 1100w at 8ohms (which is properly powered), so that would be around 101dBa at 100' with 1 cab, 1 amp channel. Add another cab and amp channel and you gain 6dB, so ~107dBa without room gain, etc, etc. So basically this is what the cabinet is designed to do. If you need more bass or headroom, you will need more cabs/amps (as Vic stated).
At 899.00 list, they are hard to beat for size & output IMO.
Kent Clasen
MSM Systems Inc.
Digital Audio
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| Re: Evan vs. the Growlers, round 1 [message #270986 is a reply to message #270732 ] |
Mon, 10 December 2007 13:21 |
Pascal Pincosy
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| Evan Kirkendall wrote on Sun, 09 December 2007 20:26 |
My problem tonight was the subs walking around. They would not stay in place. I had to ratchet strap them together and strap them to the amp rack. They need rubber feet so they wont slide around as much.
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Evan- You'll find this is a common problem with horn-loaded subs. Tons of output from a small light box makes the subs want to stroll around the room. My Bassmaxx Trips have a hard time staying in one place, and my Danley TH-115's will move around even if you strap two together. I suggest Growler owners who are trying to run center-clustered subs get some rubber matting to sit them on. Rubber feet are just going to get in the way or get torn off, especially if one is using the cabinets in different combinations.
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| Re: JTR Speakers "Growler" is Going on a Road Test [message #271288 is a reply to message #253620 ] |
Tue, 11 December 2007 10:20 |
Robert Lunceford
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What are the physical dimensions and weight of the Growlers?
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| Re: Evan vs. the Growlers, round 1 [message #271930 is a reply to message #270732 ] |
Thu, 13 December 2007 12:38 |
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Mike Christy
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Ya, Ive got foam padding under mine for hard floors, keeps them from walking and gravel from sticking/digging into the line-x. It doubles as trailer packing material between cabs. No corners on my, just naked.
I'm impressed they pass the Evan TRX test, but I think Im gonna keep my RMX2450s wired up to mine, they seem a very good match.
never had to clip them.
Update: I had a long drive home in the snow and thought about Evan's outing with the Growlers.
I don't believe you can simply throw speakers together and call it a system and expect it to perform to it's full potential.
My thoughts:
1 As a system both the tops and subs need to be "dialed in". You can simply crank the tops and expect the subs to keep up.
2 If the tops are very efficient compared to the subs, they most probably dont need as much gain as the subs. In other words you cant simply swap in another set of subs while leaving your tops gain the same and expect it to sound right.
2a. My experience shows that large linoleum floored halls EAT up bass.
3 Another sip of beer.. (that was a tough ride home thru the woods...) ah better, OK, if premise #1 and #2 are correct, then you need to start at the lowest common denominator, which is the max SPL you can get for the subs with the power you have. That means you need to back off the tops gain to match the subs.
4 No matter how large the room, your system is what it is, with the subs being the limiting factor, in this instance. Its not their fault, you simply need 2 more of them - remember - those are only 500W 12" drivers in those cabinets, 4 cabinets for large hall would not be unreasonable, especially with those screaming tops.
Usually sub power and cabinet "density" is more than the mains, from my experience.
Glad Im not in a ditch,
Mike
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Pisces Sound
Seacoast New Hampshire
Southern Maine
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| Re: Evan vs. the Growlers, round 1 [message #272054 is a reply to message #271930 ] |
Thu, 13 December 2007 20:42 |
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Evan Kirkendall
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My thoughts:
1 As a system both the tops and subs need to be "dialed in". You can simply crank the tops and expect the subs to keep up.
2 If the tops are very efficient compared to the subs, they most probably dont need as much gain as the subs. In other words you cant simply swap in another set of subs while leaving your tops gain the same and expect it to sound right.
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System was very much so "dialed in." I had the tops dialed back 10dB from the subs on the DR260 to balance things out. The PLX3002 was running signal lights, flickering -20 on louder parts, while the PL6.0 was into the limiters. Every kick hit was nearly clipping the subs, and the bass guitar had it pretty much solid at -20, sometimes even -10. I had the system properly delayed, crossed over and limited.
4 subs would probably be better, but I'll be passing on buying Growlers... I need something with a little more oomph. They would work well for weekend warriors with smaller tops though.
Evan
[Updated on: Thu, 13 December 2007 20:43]
HarfordSound
ATL Tour Blog
"No, It's not too loud. You're just too old."
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| Re: JTR Speakers "Growler" is Going on a Road Test [message #272211 is a reply to message #253620 ] |
Fri, 14 December 2007 09:35 |
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I agree things still sound mismatched. Can't remember where it is, However, I A-B'd the Growlers with JBL 728's. (The Growlers won) I'm running Growlers with SLS 960's. Your $ is you $. Do what you want. Your comment that the Growlers are ok for weekend warrior with smaller tops is right. However, they are right for bigger systems as well. I am always lusting for better gear. Hence my upgrade from JBL 4733X tops to the Community's. However, I'm finally not looking for better subs.
I have to keep my day job to pay for this one.
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