| Electro-Voice Phoenix 2122 & 2181 Loudspeakers [message #226717] |
Wed, 11 July 2007 21:23  |
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 Jason Ketchem
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Registered: June 2004
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Hello All,
For those of you on here that don't know who I am, my name is Jason Ketchem. I co-own Sounds Cool Live Audio LLC with my partner, Brian Wynn. We are a small company located in Crown Point Indiana, approximately 40 miles Southeast of Chicago.
Being a user of EV product already, (qrx & xld) I was excited to hear of a new product line out, aimed at our market. I was not able to attend a demo held earlier in the year by our rep, so needless to say I have been eager to get my hands on some of these. Luckily, ROAD TEST came to mind and they have been very helpful in obtaining these speakers. I called Sara and asked if I could obtain The PX2122 mid/hi and the PX2181 sub. Shortly thereafter, we received 4 2122's, 4 2181's, 4-CP4000 power amps, and 2- DX 38 processors racked.
I have had the opportunity to use these boxes at some events recently, and am preparing a nice full report. Please stay tuned for reports and pictures to come. I hope to get this out to you by next week. Please ask some questions, so we can interact on this thread.
Jason Ketchem
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| Re: Electro-Voice Phoenix 2122 & 2181 Loudspeakers [message #229371 is a reply to message #226717 ] |
Fri, 20 July 2007 14:00  |
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Jason Ketchem
Messages: 226
Registered: June 2004
Location: Merrillville IND |
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EV PX2122
I have taken the following info from the EV site:
Electrovoice
Specifications
Frequency Response (-3dB) 80 - 15000 Hz
Frequency Response (-10dB) 60 - 19000 Hz
Sensitivity 1W/1m 102 dB
Max. SPL/1m (calc); half space 138 dB
Coverage (nominal -6dB) H° 30 °
Coverage (nominal -6dB) V° 45 °
Rotatable Horn Yes
Low Frequency Power Handling (continuous/program/peak) 1000/2000/4000 Watts
High Frequency Power Handling (continuous/program/peak) 80/160/320 Watts
LF Transducer (2) DVX3121, 12 in (305mm) Driver
HF Transducer (2) ND2-16, 2 in (50mm) Diaphragm Compression Drivers
LF Nominal Impedance 4 Ohms
HF Nominal Impedance 8 Ohms
Enclosure Material 18mm Plywood with Black EVCoat
Grill Polyester Powder Coated, 16GA Galvanized Steel, with Rotatable Logo
Color Black
Flying Optional
Input Connections Parallel NeutrikŪ NL4
Outdoor No
Chassis Size 12 inches
Internal Crossover No
Speaker Type Fullrange, Mid-High, Two-Way
Weight Net 50.1 kg ( 110.45 lbs )
Dimensions (HxWxD) 1219 x 457 x 445 mm
(47.99" x 17.99" x 17.52")
Key Features:
-Dual ND2 2" voice coil 1" exit Neodymium Compression Drivers
-Dual DVX3121 12" LF transducers with forced air cooling
-Long-Throw 45x30 rotatable coverage pattern
-1000W continuous (4000W peak) power handling
-Biamp operation
-Very high sensitivity, 138 dB maximum SPL
-Integral Rigging pointsfor eyebolts or optional rigging kit
-Designed to be arrayed
EV PX2181 Sub:
Specifications
Frequency Response (-3dB) 45 - 160 Hz
Frequency Response (-10dB) 40 - 180 Hz
Sensitivity 1W/1m 105 dB
Max. SPL/1m (calc); half space 141 dB
Coverage (nominal -6dB) H° 360 °
Coverage (nominal -6dB) V° 360 °
System Power Handling (continuous/program/peak) 1000/2000/4000 Watts
LF Transducer (2) DVX3180, 18 in (457mm) Driver
Nominal Impedance (Passive) 4 Ohms
Enclosure Material 18mm Plywood with Black EVCoat
Grill Polyester Powder Coated, 16GA Galvanized Steel, with Rotatable Logo
Color Black
Flying No
Input Connections Parallel NeutrikŪ NL4
Outdoor No
Chassis Size 18 inches
Internal Crossover No
Speaker Type Subs
Weight Net 86.5 kg ( 190.7 lbs )
Dimensions (HxWxD) 1219 x 569 x 758 mm
(47.99" x 22.4" x 29.84")
Key Features:
-Dual horn-loaded DVX3180 18" LF transducers with forced air cooling
-1000W Continuous (4000W peak) Power handling
-High-efficiency Sub-Scoop design
-Dual/Parallel mode selectable
-Very high sensitivity, 141 dB maximum SPL
-Integral mounting points on rear panel for optional wheel/caster kit
-Enclosure is stackable in both horizontal and vertical orientations
Alignment cups are routed into the box to array multiple subs. The side of the sub (top when laying down), has grooves cut in them. This is to array the 3 top boxes to provide 135 degree wide coverage.
Parallel/Dual switch on sub allows connection of both woofers to one amp channel in parallel mode, and to be used with each woofer to an amplifier channel in dual mode. IN dual mode, 3 PX2181 can be connected to 2 amplifier channels for maximum flexibility.
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I am going to mention the first show I had these on right now. I will talk about the other shows later. If you click on this link PICS , you can see some of the pictures I took. I am going to get some more pictures from other shows on here in the near future.
For the first show out with these boxes, we were on a showmobile trailer outdoors for a local town festival. We put the subs and the tops up on the stage deck with 2 tops/subs per
side. We used the drive system EV had sent with the speakers (DX38 & CP4000). While running pink noise for the RTA, it was pretty much right on. The band that was playing was a local rock band and we had about 500 in the crowd. The PA was running about 95db-A through the evening. I thought everything was great! This was our first time doing this fest for the parks dept, and the director was pleased with what he heard and plans on bringing us in for the whole fest next year. We had lots of compliments from attendees as well.
It is nice to see that they are offering accessories to go with these. (keeps you from having to special order or make yourself). They offer caster boards, covers & hanging frames.
As mentioned earlier there will be some more show reports posted as well.
I would have to say that EV did a nice job on their, "Rebirth of Manifold Technology"! One of the things I didn't care for was the Plastic/nylon? feet. They are hollow and can be easily damaged... As proved by the freight carrier as one was already chipped and broke when they arrived.
Here is the link to the pictures again.
Thanks to Road Test, Josh & James at Bosch Communications, for giving us this great opportunity.
Please stay tuned for more shows and pics.
Jason Ketchem
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| Re: Electro-Voice Phoenix 2122 & 2181 Loudspeakers [message #229411 is a reply to message #229371 ] |
Fri, 20 July 2007 15:40 |
Josh Bartunek
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Registered: January 2005
Location: Burnsville, MN |
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I'd like to introduce myself as a loudspeaker product manager at Electro-Voice involved in the Phoenix introduction. Also, I'd like to thank Jason and Brian for taking the time to evaluate the rig and post their impressions within this forum. The situations in which Sounds Cool Live Audio employed the system are exactly where Phoenix was intended to be used.
I'm here to answer any questions folks may have from the manufacturing end, and will most likely be seeking guidance from our engineering team to make sure I don't misinform.
I'm looking forward to the discussion!
Josh Bartunek
Product Manager
Electro-Voice Pro Music Speakers
Bosch Communications Systems
12000 Portland Avenue South
Burnsville. MN 55337
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| Re: Electro-Voice Phoenix 2122 & 2181 Loudspeakers [message #229528 is a reply to message #229411 ] |
Sat, 21 July 2007 01:14 |
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Brian Wynn
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Registered: October 2005
Location: Indiana/Chicago |
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Good to here from you again Josh. And thank you for giving us some time with the rig. We really enjoyed it and it was very informational. I love to get my hands on new PA equipment and try different things.
Which brings be to my next point. For those of you who don't know me I am Jason Ketchem's partner in Sounds Cool Live Audio LLC. I handle logistic's, booking, system design , and feeding the fish. I have the easy job compared to what Jason does.
As Jason mentioned above the first time out with rig was good. I had to take -3dB off the horns in the DX38's and cut 2K -4dB, 500HZ -6 dB, and 1.6K -2dB out of the house EQ then we had something to listen to. Smooth all around. The first thing that came to my mind was WOW I found my new subs. This system carried 95dB to 260 feet and thats just where I stopped walking. I also didn't care much for the hollow feet they break to easy. If they were solid nylon I think that would be the ticket. The caster boards are the coolest I have even seen. The covers were OK not the best but not the worst. The subs are 90 inch truck pack 1/2 by 1/4 someone was thinking there. I wish they had more handles on the top and bottom. Or maybe move the current locations for easy of stacking. If you are lucky enough to hear this system you will be impressed with the magnitude of the low end and crisp bright high end, 800HZ lobe? Nope not here smooth as can be.
The second night at fest number one was a lot more of the same, I had a little more time to tune and walk the seating area. Of course smooth and well covered all the way through. Night two was a recent Nashville Star 2nd place winner. She was on here game that night, band sounded great, strong vocal, and some good ole country music. I had 2000 spectators that night with 2 tops and 2 subs aside. No clipping No Limiting No distortion. I had
some seniors in the first 8 rows. Pushing 100dB all night long and they stayed in there seats. After the show 4 or 5 came up to me a FOH. The first think that I thought was here we go with "IT WAS TO LOUD, MY EARS ARE RINGING" but I was wrong it was more like "You don't hear quality like that everyday, and Were are you going to be next week". I think they cleaned me out of cards that night.
In the near future we will be posting more info. on the other shows we did with this system. And at the end we will do a final
"What We Thought" review of the overall system and it's components.
Brian Wynn
219-712-7086
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| Re: Electro-Voice Phoenix 2122 & 2181 Loudspeakers [message #231792 is a reply to message #226717 ] |
Sun, 29 July 2007 13:15 |
Iain Macdonald
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Registered: August 2005
Location: UK Europe |
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Hi,
I see from the spec, that the horn is rotatable. If you had time could you see if it arrays as well as the normal position.
Thanks.
Iain.
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| Re: Electro-Voice Phoenix 2122 & 2181 Loudspeakers [message #239086 is a reply to message #232059 ] |
Wed, 22 August 2007 08:43 |
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Brian Wynn
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Registered: October 2005
Location: Indiana/Chicago |
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Secound GIG
This gig was a 4th of July outdoor event with multiple bands and DJ playback music. The customer insisted that the PA must be heard from the other side of the park. Which was about a 1/4 of a mile away. Lucky for us we had a lake between the performace area and the other end of the park which carried the audio very well. We did not use delay stacks because of power issues. Anyway the Phoenix system did a great job filling a side stage area. We used a 3 over 1 configuration with the EV supplied rack of power and processing mentioned about in the first post. It covered a pie shaped listing area side stage about 100' wide 400' deep at 103 db up front to 90 db in the back. Here is a picture that shows the system in the background and part of the listening area I mentioned above.
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Brian Wynn
219-712-7086
Sounds Cool Live Audio LLC
www.soundscoolliveaudio.com
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| Re: Electro-Voice Phoenix 2122 & 2181 Loudspeakers [message #272681 is a reply to message #226717 ] |
Sat, 15 December 2007 23:08 |
Teri Hogan
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Registered: April 2004
Location: South Central Texas |
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Howdy Folks,
We were allowed to take possession for demo purposes of the Phoenix rigs EV took to SXSW. We had 4 of the subs, 4 of the double 12s and 2 of double 15s.
Now, I've got to say that we have been running a 24-box MT2 rig for years and I never thought I'd hear another box I liked better than my MT2s.
The first show we were able to do with them was a smaller 1 stack/side rig of the double 15s. John was out on another show and didn't get to hear them. At the end of my show, I called him up and told him "John, EV's not getting these boxes back!"
I was overwhelmed with the clarity of the boxes in all parts of the venue (outdoor, covered pavillion), a space that has traditionally been difficult to obtain clean sound at a reasonable volume. Both the subs and mid-his were so amazingly clean.
Then we took the 2-12 boxes out for a bigger show and were just awestruck. First, the engineering of the boxes is amazing. The MT2 subs weight 180 pounds and the MT2 mid-his are 205. The Phoenix subs are about the same weight but the mid-his are, what, 78 pounds? And even though the subs are the same weight, they feel like half that. I can handle them by myself, which is saying a lot. We're both getting older and weight is becoming an issue!
The 2 stack/side double 12 rig is absolutely flawless. There were a few problems with the highs early on but EV has issued two updates to the DX38 settings since then and that completely fixed the problem.
We also bought the CP4000 amps to run this rig. Oh, did I mention we bought both systems? The CP4000 is equivalent to a MacroTech 3600 but we both agree that it is a cleaner amp. We really like the smooth, rich sound. AND it weights something like 17 pounds. (I'm not good at remembering exact numbers.)
We are just in heaven with our new systems. And if you know anyone who wants to buy some MT2s, maybe for club install where you don't have to move them, ours are for sale. I can't believe I'm saying that...that's how good the Phoenix are!
Teri Hogan
Sound Services, Inc.
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| Re: Electro-Voice Phoenix 2122 & 2181 Loudspeakers [message #305685 is a reply to message #304683 ] |
Mon, 24 March 2008 11:54 |
Paul Lea
Messages: 89
Registered: November 2005 |
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I drank the kool-aid also. Went and heard them, we ended up buying 12 of the PX2122 tops and 8 of the PX2181 subs this past week. Great sounding boxes for the money.
Paul Lea
Owner - Midwest Sound and Production, LLC
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| Re: Electro-Voice Phoenix 2122 & 2181 Loudspeakers [message #306526 is a reply to message #306356 ] |
Wed, 26 March 2008 15:24 |
Greg Harwood
Messages: 52
Registered: July 2005
Location: Greenville, SC |
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Same thing happened to me. I went to hear a demo and ended up making a purchase. These boxes sound fantastic. My needs are small so I just got (2) PX2152 and (2) PX2181. I highly recommend these to anyone wanting to improve their output and sound quality.
www.modern-relic.com
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