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| Suggested Crowd size for Suggested systems [message #261632 is a reply to message #261361 ] |
Thu, 08 November 2007 04:14   |
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How big of a crowd is each system suggesting for?
Say you are primary working with Loud Rock bands or even Metal bands...
Versarray Project Twelve - 12 VR112, 2 VR218
Versarray Project Ten - 6 VR112, 2 VR218
Versarray Project Eight - 4 VR112, 2 VR118
I have my own domain name now: www.mattvivslivesound.com
I'm located in Southern MD.
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| Re: Suggested Crowd size for Suggested systems [message #262052 is a reply to message #261666 ] |
Fri, 09 November 2007 14:28 |
 John Chiara
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| Tim McCulloch wrote on Thu, 08 November 2007 08:57 |
Matt-
I guess this depends on what one calls a "rock show."
IMHO, 1 pair of 218s is woefully inadequate to match 6 VR112/side. At least 2, and maybe 3 would be much better. See my observations from OzFest about the quantity of 218s in use.
This isn't a hard rock PA by it's nature, although it can do a surprisingly good job on rock... and understand the context in which I heard the rig... outdoors for about 5000 pax. No room gain for the subs, etc. The rig I heard at OzFest as pretty well balanced but it took a lot more subbage than Peavey's suggested systems lists.
Have fun, good luck.
Tim Mc
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I'm with Tim..I find 4 VR 122's a side with 4 TH 115's a good setup..calculate from there...that is a very good sub for every 2 top boxes.
[Updated on: Fri, 09 November 2007 14:30]
"mix is a verb, not a noun"
John A. Chiara aka. Blind Johnny
Albany Audio Associates Inc.
Troy, NY
518-961-0069 - cell
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| Re: Suggested Crowd size for Suggested systems [message #262804 is a reply to message #262055 ] |
Mon, 12 November 2007 11:10 |
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I'll throw in my $.02 of the Looney's rig. I was only able to make it down on Saturday, but from what I hear it was the better night in the Guinness Focusing department anyway!
The band was good and the mix was pretty well dialed in. Often times in situations like this, the vocals are not intelligible, but presumably having the VR boxes handling the Vox and the rest of the band in the QW's, this problem was alleviated. As far as the Versarray boxes go, I tend to agree with Tom. They were great for the room, but I wouldn't have expected a whole lot more out of them. After all, I think it was only a 5-box hang. It did seem to lack some VHF response compared to a "conventional" (compression driver) box, but running Vox this was not really an issue. I'd like to hear them in a L-R setup with full range music playing through them. I think the VR looks like a fantastic product for the price, and based on what i've heard so far, it would be a no-brainer compared to JBL VRX boxes.
The subs were also pretty stout. I think tom had a GPS3500 bridged on each one, so power was ample. They had a nice sound to them, and I'm sure would get better once that 50Hz room thing gets figured out! I would absolutely take them over Adamson T21 subs (look in product reviews.)
The rig was set up quite well; it's nice to see a place like this that has something decent and decently set up! Thanks Tom!
-JB
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| Re: Suggested Crowd size for Suggested systems [message #263082 is a reply to message #262804 ] |
Tue, 13 November 2007 05:16 |
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Well I saw a set of 3 VR122 and each of them looked like it was built by the High School wood shop. Each speaker had about 1/8" of overhang on front of the cabinet in the horn section. I wish I had my digital camera to take the picture for proof.
I have my own domain name now: www.mattvivslivesound.com
I'm located in Southern MD.
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| Re: Suggested Crowd size for Suggested systems [message #263339 is a reply to message #263128 ] |
Tue, 13 November 2007 20:32 |
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| Tom faderjockey Brandis wrote on Tue, 13 November 2007 10:37 |
What do you mean? More explanation Matt.
Tom
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The tops two green circles has the overhang and the lower circle has a noticable gap, something that would catch the finger nail when picking at it.
This picture is NOT the 3 I saw at the store.
[Updated on: Tue, 13 November 2007 20:33]
I have my own domain name now: www.mattvivslivesound.com
I'm located in Southern MD.
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| Re: Suggested Crowd size for Suggested systems [message #263391 is a reply to message #263339 ] |
Tue, 13 November 2007 22:54 |
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| Matt Vivlamore wrote on Tue, 13 November 2007 21:32 |
| Tom faderjockey Brandis wrote on Tue, 13 November 2007 10:37 |
What do you mean? More explanation Matt.
Tom
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The tops two green circles has the overhang and the lower circle has a noticable gap, something that would catch the finger nail when picking at it.
This picture is NOT the 3 I saw at the store.
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As many of you know am a well known design snob and among the first to pick at things.
Matt, I honestly believe you've come close to going off the deep end.
Remember that a gap is not always an accident or a design flaw.
I don't know about everyone else, but if I have to take a panel or outside covering off of something I appreciate a tad bit of wiggle room to get it back in.
If the tolerances were 100ths of millimeters and everything was snug without fasteners it would be almost impossible to disassemble.
Philip LaDue
RFL
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| Re: Suggested Crowd size for Suggested systems [message #263449 is a reply to message #263391 ] |
Wed, 14 November 2007 03:29 |
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| Phil LaDue wrote on Tue, 13 November 2007 23:54 |
| Matt Vivlamore wrote on Tue, 13 November 2007 21:32 |
| Tom faderjockey Brandis wrote on Tue, 13 November 2007 10:37 |
What do you mean? More explanation Matt.
Tom
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The tops two green circles has the overhang and the lower circle has a noticable gap, something that would catch the finger nail when picking at it.
This picture is NOT the 3 I saw at the store.
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As many of you know am a well known design snob and among the first to pick at things.
Matt, I honestly believe you've come close to going off the deep end.
Remember that a gap is not always an accident or a design flaw.
I don't know about everyone else, but if I have to take a panel or outside covering off of something I appreciate a tad bit of wiggle room to get it back in.
If the tolerances were 100ths of millimeters and everything was snug without fasteners it would be almost impossible to disassemble.
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So the section in the "V" comes apart to replace the Ribbon?
Next time I am at the store, if its stillt here, I'll take a picture of it. I don't think I'll be going to a long time. (I bought two amps with no money that I had, I was susposed to just buy 1).
[Updated on: Wed, 14 November 2007 03:32]
I have my own domain name now: www.mattvivslivesound.com
I'm located in Southern MD.
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| Re: Suggested Crowd size for Suggested systems [message #263727 is a reply to message #263519 ] |
Wed, 14 November 2007 20:53 |
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| Tom faderjockey Brandis wrote on Wed, 14 November 2007 11:52 |
Yes, the plastic v shaped piece holds the two ribbon driver in the box with 8 screws. If someone took it apart to have a looksy, they may not have seated that piece back correctly. I've done it before and had to redo it. It takes all but 1 minute to take that piece off.
Tom
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This wasn't plastic horn peice. This looked to be the joints of the corner of the box. The top, face and bottom wood peices.
I have my own domain name now: www.mattvivslivesound.com
I'm located in Southern MD.
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| Re: Suggested Crowd size for Suggested systems [message #263886 is a reply to message #262804 ] |
Thu, 15 November 2007 12:24 |
John Chiara
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| Jim Bowersox wrote on Mon, 12 November 2007 12:10 |
It did seem to lack some VHF response compared to a "conventional" (compression driver) box, but running Vox this was not really an issue. I'd like to hear them in a L-R setup with full range music playing through them. I think the VR looks like a fantastic product for the price, and based on what i've heard so far, it would be a no-brainer compared to JBL VRX boxes.
-JB
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With music playback you will notice no VHF response lacking...quite the opposite...more like analog tape recordings with a gradual high freq rolloff. Stereo panned percussion stuff is remarkable. The articulation of the ribbons can be masked by blasting loud live music..but I've had little trouble getting vocals on top of even the loudest bands. The other benefit is this..at lower volumes..like the church service I do on Sundays...you can get very clear vocal reproduction at stupid low levels..the ribbons deliver an accurate reproduction of the timbre of vocals so that a little boost brings the voice out front...and without being too loud in the front rows.
We have a dance/hiphop show on Monday and I will be interested to hear how the VR 112's do..we have vinyl, CD's and live performers.
"mix is a verb, not a noun"
John A. Chiara aka. Blind Johnny
Albany Audio Associates Inc.
Troy, NY
518-961-0069 - cell
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