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| Re: Peavey Versarray [message #234971 is a reply to message #234967 ] |
Wed, 08 August 2007 06:06   |
Geri O'Neil
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But again, this can be the case with any speaker. I recently had to quell the concerns of the head communications guy for a large military manufacturing firm because he thought there was something wrong with the KF-850s as he stuck his ear into the lower compartment, where the 10" speaker resides. Never mind the fact that it sounded fine 10 feet away, where the audience seating started.
You can argue nuts and bolts all day about "selecting the right tool for the right job" (gagus ad nauseumus). That's for the LAB and/ or the Lounge. Anyone coming in here to make that case, well, I smell agenda on their breath.
Geri O
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| Re: Peavey Versarray [message #234987 is a reply to message #234971 ] |
Wed, 08 August 2007 07:50 |
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Geri O sez " Anyone coming in here to make that case, well, I smell agenda on their breath"
Is that kinda like "why buy the VR, when Geo-S is so much better?? I sell NEXO, btw".....
What do I win??
Lee
Lee Jacobson
Technical Director
Brevard Sound Systems
Titusville, FL
321 225 2539
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| Re: Peavey Versarray [message #235000 is a reply to message #234987 ] |
Wed, 08 August 2007 08:28 |
 Robin E Venters
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LOL!!!
The post I did yesterday, was done in a fit of pique...the one that began "Jimminy Christmas".
I apologize for it's condescending tone.
I can hardly believe myself for using an exponential number in a conversation, and as if that wasn't bad enough, I implied that you all are "Compression driver calibrated listeners."
I am proud to be a CDCL.....2" exit though.
I am just a kibitzing guitar player...Robin V.
That that is, is. Except in the opinion of an engineer.
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| Re: Peavey Versarray [message #235242 is a reply to message #235168 ] |
Wed, 08 August 2007 19:05 |
Al Limberg
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No,no,no,no,no.....please! ?;O)
Well, you can't have that, but if you're an American citizen you are entitled to:
a heated kidney shaped pool,
a microwave oven--don't watch the food cook,
a Dyna-Gym--I'll personally demonstrate it in the privacy of your own home,
a kingsize Titanic unsinkable Molly Brown waterbed with polybendum,
a foolproof plan and an airtight alibi,
real simulated Indian jewelry,
a Gucci shoetree,
a year's supply of antibiotics,
a personally autographed picture of Randy Mantooth
and Bob Dylan's new unlisted phone number,
a beautifully restored 3rd Reich swizzle stick,
Rosemary's baby,
a dream date in kneepads with Paul Williams,
a new Matador,
a new mastadon,
a Maverick,
a Mustang,
a Montego,
a Merc Montclair,
a Mark IV,
a meteor,
a Mercedes,
an MG,
or a Malibu,
a Mort Moriarty,
a Maserati,
a Mac truck,
a Mazda,
a new Monza,
or a moped,
a Winnebago--Hell, a herd of Winnebago's we're giving 'em away,
or how about a McCulloch chainsaw,
a Las Vegas wedding,
a Mexican divorce,
a solid gold Kama Sutra coffee pot,
or a baby's arm holding an apple?
Some people are like a Slinky.....not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.
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| Re: Peavey Versarray-Observations from OzzFest [message #235396 is a reply to message #234066 ] |
Thu, 09 August 2007 08:43 |
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| Lee Jacobson wrote on Sun, 05 August 2007 17:05 |
Randy,
After looking at your numbers, I ran some numbers of my own. I am in no way "the versarray champion" here, just putting out numbers for folks to consider. Without giving away any proprietary info about pricing, suffice it to say each Geo-S box costs TWICE what a VR-112 does (I know this to be true). For the sake of argument, we'll call that number $1000/2000 (VR/Geo). Now, the NX dsp is what, $2K also??
Let's look at a rig capable of doing 105 at 125'. Randy sez it took 17 boxes per side of Geo S. OK, I'll go out on a limb here and assume he had AT LEAST two channels of large amp running that rig. I'd have done it with more like four channels. So, for the sake of this comparison, we'll assume the amp rack for the GEO-S rig, per side, without subs, to have been one NX241/242, and two Camco V6 amps. Now, we've got two of those amp racks, and 34 tops. The NX dsp is $2K, the amps are about $4400ea(high street), for $10,800 in "electronics" per side, so $22K there. Thirty four tops, at roughly $2K street each, is $68K, plus $22K in racks to drive that, is $90,000. This does not include subs, or sub amps.
I have Ease Focus open here, and it sez EIGHT VR-112 per side will do 112A, at 40 meters, average. That is 7dB hotter than your 105. FWIW, peak SPL is 122 at 40 meters. Now, let's look at boxes: eight VR 112s is $8K, give or take. We'll drive them like the demo rig, with TWO '26 DSPs in each rack, and two 9200s, two 5200s driving the 8 tops per side. So, we've got about $800 in dsp, and $7000 in amps (at "high" street cost), per rack, times two. So, we've got $16K in tops, and about $14K in 'tronics to drive them. This totals $30K.
I see a slight difference in cost there.
OK, will 17 Geo-S do more than 105dB (no weighting given) at 125'? Who knows. We do know it took 34 of them to do this show in question. Will the VR do it?? Based upon my experience with them, yes. Based upon others' reviews, yes. Are the Peavey boxes going to be accepted by everybody potential users might run into?? Dunno. Maybe, maybe not. Can one get more $$ with a Geo rig than a Peavey rig?? Prolly. Can one get more than 3X as much??? Prolly not. Have any of my clients ever asked for a NEXO rig?? Nope. Do I do shows where "this type of rig" (almost said line aray) would be useful?? Yep. Do I get real $$ for those shows?? Yep. Would I be able to use the Peavey on those shows?? I have already, and will again.
Randy,
What was the point again???
Lee
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Lee,
I agree with what you said later in this post about Randy posting info about another product out of the blue.
However I see some discrepancies in your numbers between SPL between the boxes.
The Peavey has a 1w/1m for the lows of 97db, the highs are 1w/1m of 99db.
The Nexo GeoS8 has a 1w/1m for the box wideband of 97db and 99db band limited(+/-3)
Peak output for the peavey is rated at 130 for lows and 131 for highs.
Peak output for the GeoS8 is rated at 128db.
While I agree that there are price differences between the boxes I do not feel like the stated SPL differences you made are correct and the above numbers seem to agree with me.
Also Lee I am sending you a PM
sincerely,
Dan Brown
REACH Communications
Dan Brown
REACH Communications
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| Re: Peavey Versarray-Observations from OzzFest [message #246724 is a reply to message #235552 ] |
Mon, 17 September 2007 09:03 |
Mike Kivett
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We ended up not being able to go. Anybody attend the seminar?
How was the Versarray?
- Mike Kivett
www.myspace.com/kivettaudio
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| Re: Peavey Versarray-Observations from OzzFest [message #246961 is a reply to message #246724 ] |
Mon, 17 September 2007 20:49 |
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Thomas R. Pullen
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| Mike Kivett wrote on Mon, 17 September 2007 09:03 |
We ended up not being able to go. Anybody attend the seminar?
How was the Versarray?
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Now....I need to preface this with a couple things. First, I have been a longtime proponent of Peavey. In the 80s, I used a large 3020HT/415/118D System. Second, I really wanted to be impressed with this system and presentation. I went in really pulling for the system to come out on top and allow us to put a really nice Versarray install in a brand new, state of the art, properly acoustically treated venue. Basically, I was looking for a reason to NOT buy the JBLs. That said....read on.
I was able to make most of it. I have to tell you, it was not good. Lots of technical issues sitting around waiting for Marty to find the right buttons to unmute the signal chain. Really frustrating for me in the audience, it must have been a killer being the presenter.
As for the Versarray, I frankly am not sure. It sounded the same in 95% of the room so that is good. It was very mid-rangey and completely lacked low end. I kept asking myself if they even had the subs on....really.
Here is a freebie for the folks at Peavey that are reading the board. LOSE THE SLIDE ANIMATIONS!!!!! It looked like someone just discovered the animations panel. My 8 year old does more tasteful work in PowerPoint. Just because the effect is there, does not mean you have to use it. I would have thought that Peavey would have better QA on stuff like that. Really "rookie" looking.
From all the good stuff I have heard about Marty in the past, I guess I was expecting too much.
Good news is, Don says he will have the VArray at the Poco show next weekend. I hope that is a better representation of what the system can do. Based on what I heard the other night, I would be better off with my current Yorkville system.
Thomas R. Pullen
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