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Topics for "The Complete FOH Engineer" [message #175885]

Fri, 05 January 2007 11:58

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Hey all --
Just tossing this out there ---

Let's discuss specifically what topics you want covered at this years seminars.

Given some past feedback -- this is what I am hearing

System Tuning Techniques
Sub Woofer Alignment
Dealing With Multiple Sources
Digital Console Management

What do you think??? Anything else we should cover or that you all would see as a must??

Scovill

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Re: Topics for "The Complete FOH Engineer" [message #175914 is a reply to message #175885 ]

Fri, 05 January 2007 13:40

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Good troubleshooting technique! I spent 3 months of my Cisco certification learning how to troubleshoot well, knowledge that is absolutely invaluable in the Live Sound world, and something that many engineers are lacking. When something goes wrong, where do you look first? Or do you stand there looking panicked (OK, we've all done that).

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Re: Topics for "The Complete FOH Engineer" [message #175970 is a reply to message #175885 ]

Fri, 05 January 2007 17:11

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System Tuning Techniques....Yes
Sub Woofer Alignment ....Yes

Anything that helps control LF energy so that the mix has a great feel to it without being too loud.

How to get those really ellusive, killer vocals that sound so natural and effortless from the vocalists mouth to our ears.

I heard them recently at a Journey concert from the drummer. I can't describe the vocals very well other than it raises the hair on the back of your neck.

Ryan Jenkins
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Re: Topics for "The Complete FOH Engineer" [message #175979 is a reply to message #175885 ]

Fri, 05 January 2007 17:46

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Bringing vox forward in a loud mix.

-Bink

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Re: Topics for "The Complete FOH Engineer" [message #176242 is a reply to message #175885 ]

Sat, 06 January 2007 18:00

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I think all of the topics mentioned above are great. For me personally though. When I leave the class. I want to walk away being able to put together a better mix than I ever have. This also means on crappy PAs too. It's nice to think that I will only work on V-DOSC after the class, but not likely. Hopefully everybody who is serious about the class. Will continue to contribute to thread.

Thanks
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Re: Topics for "The Complete FOH Engineer" [message #176767 is a reply to message #175885 ]

Mon, 08 January 2007 18:31

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Hey guys --
Yeah, this is great! Keep this kind of stuff flowing in and we will put together a killer seminar for you!

Be as specific as you want to be on your topic requests --

I may post some questions back to you here as well -- so check regularly or set up your posts to notify you when I respond.

Thanks,
Scovill

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Re: Topics for "The Complete FOH Engineer" [message #178391 is a reply to message #175885 ]

Sat, 13 January 2007 10:03

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I would definitely like to hear your take on EQ and advanced EQ techniques such as making compromises to make space while still retaining the inherent qualities of the instrument so it remains full on its own. I would love to walk away with some day to day steps I can take to continue to build up my chops in this arena.

System tuning techniques would be great especially when dealing with complex systems with a lot of boxes in the air.

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Re: Topics for "The Complete FOH Engineer" [message #178919 is a reply to message #178391 ]

Mon, 15 January 2007 12:06

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Hi David,
Yeah this is certainly covered --

I discuss when you can and cannot solve a problem with EQ --
When to wear your "artist" ears vs. your "scientist" ears ---
System EQ vs. Source EQ vs. Mix EQ ---

Hopefully your answer will come from those discussions ---

Yeah?

Robert

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Re: Topics for "The Complete FOH Engineer" [message #178955 is a reply to message #178919 ]

Mon, 15 January 2007 15:09

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Sounds good. I don't think I've ever EQ'ed the entire mix so it will be interesting to hear.

Dave

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Re: Topics for "The Complete FOH Engineer" [message #179101 is a reply to message #178955 ]

Tue, 16 January 2007 06:27

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re: artist vs. scientist ears

It's important to understand which hat to wear at various points during the day.

When the show is in progress, if you feel you need to resort to "scientist ears" often, you missed something during the setup and tuning process, i.e. if you're grabbing for the graphic EQ IMO you should first look at your strip EQ and look for consistencies there.

If your channel EQs have cuts applied consistently in a certain range, you can be sure these "non-linearites" should have been addressed via system EQ. The channel strip ought to be for artistic equalization, rather than compensating for non-linearities in system response.

A huge part of this class is how to equalize your system in a linear fashion, so that channel strip EQ changes are performed solely to fix input problems rather than compensate for system non-linearities.

He calls the concept "linear transfer" and the implications go well beyond what comes out of the PA, when sending audio elsewhere via mix busses.

If I had to assign "eye opening" ratings, this topic would be at or near the top for your average student. I know this by reading the student comments.

FWIW

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Re: Topics for "The Complete FOH Engineer" [message #182837 is a reply to message #175885 ]

Sat, 27 January 2007 01:48

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In addition to the already mentioned topics, I'd like to dive into..

1) Compression techniques. Low ratios with lots of gain reduction VS. high ratios with less gain reduction, gain makeup and noise floor issues, etc..

2) Reverb usage. When to use it, tips on selecting an appropriate reverb type, EQing & tailoring it to the venue, etc..

3) Backline alignment. When should we use it? How much is too much? Tape measure or Smaart? etc..

I'm sure there's more but that's all that came to mind right now.

-John

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Re: Topics for "The Complete FOH Engineer" [message #186245 is a reply to message #175885 ]

Tue, 06 February 2007 19:18

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Wow, no one has trouble with some of the stuff I mentioned..? Embarassed

Embarassed

Guess I'll just have to keep experimenting on my own. Sad

Sad

-John

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Re: Topics for "The Complete FOH Engineer" [message #187178 is a reply to message #175885 ]

Fri, 09 February 2007 12:52

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Where, when, and how much?

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D'oh!!! Just saw the 2007 training update topic....Mama always said I was a little slow.

[Updated on: Fri, 09 February 2007 12:56]

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Re: Topics for "The Complete FOH Engineer" [message #187189 is a reply to message #175885 ]

Fri, 09 February 2007 13:32

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Jens, all that kinda info is at:

http://srforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/t/19004/15757/

I'm planning on goin too.

http://www.capsicumpro.com

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Re: Topics for "The Complete FOH Engineer" [message #188416 is a reply to message #175885 ]

Tue, 13 February 2007 22:52

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This may be too specific for the "general" digital console topic but I'd like to dig into plugins a bit since the Venue will probably be prominently featured. Doesn't have to be too much but any tidbits relating to things you can do with multiple instantiations of plugins that may not be possible/practical with standard processing.

Also, I would like a section of the class where we beat the hell out of that binaural dummy that sits by the door. Twisted Evil

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Re: Topics for "The Complete FOH Engineer" [message #201104 is a reply to message #178919 ]

Mon, 02 April 2007 21:51

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Robert,

Great 2 read all the buzz on the seminar...1st time 4 me and pretty excited!...hope everything goes as planed.

The discussions on where problems occur in mix tone vs. PA tone is one that I am interested in. Recording 2-track house mixes has made me more conscious of what is going on w/my mix tone, so methods and approaches to translating my mix properly will be a great topic and an big impact 4 me. Cool

Cool

Also looking forward to attending the SMAART class & getting hip on that.

Thanks Doug & Robert...excited 2 meet and chat with you guys as well as other attendees.

~Rob Capezzano

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